Microsoft pays shit

Google / Eng i-am-stud
Aug 16, 2018 49 Comments

Before interviews manager gave confidence and told that MSFT is very competitive in compensation.

I cleared the interviews and offered a TC which was half what I am currently making.

Why did I interview with MSFT? - Interviews practice

GOOG TC - 350k
MSFT TC offer - 180-190k

Edit - I did not even negotiate as the only goal I had out of these interviews was to laugh seeing the shitty TC offer

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  • Microsoft njMK02
    Not true. MSFT will match and exceed your current pay if you are good enough. How? If they deem you good enough they give you a level that puts you at the payscale you are currently at in Google
    Aug 16, 2018 14
    • Facebook Shobc
      Yea. If you donโ€™t realize that leveling is primarily yoe and previous level youโ€™re foolish.
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Microsoft njMK02
      If that is the case, why did MSFT severely up-level the guy from twitter and FB? They had nowhere near the yoe to get the levels they got at Msft.
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Google / Eng i-am-stud
      OP
      This is old way of thinking. I personally don't think that yoe should matter (which matters a lot at MSFT and Amazon). I think one should only care if the person can get things done at that level
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Microsoft njMK02
      Totally agreed
      Aug 17, 2018
    • Facebook Shobc
      Yup
      Aug 17, 2018
  • Oracle GG_Warrior
    Maybe so you can work 6 hours a day max ? ๐Ÿ˜’
    Aug 16, 2018 3
    • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
      6 whole hours...?
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Yololo

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Yololomore
      Google has equally good WLB.
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Oracle GG_Warrior
      Not at all. They all work at least 8hours. I have seen and heard from friends
      Aug 16, 2018
  • Microsoft UEMF47
    Who works 6 hours in ms? ๐Ÿ˜’
    Aug 16, 2018 4
    • Apple Rjcricksnf
      3 hrs?
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Microsoft UEMF47
      4 ๐Ÿค—
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Amazon / Mgmt while(1){}
      My friend used to work 2 hours a day, 1 of them in meetings, another coding
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Microsoft UEMF47
      We include travel time in working hours, just so you know
      Aug 16, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product Kemw
    OP barely passed the interview
    Aug 16, 2018 1
    • Microsoft CafeMox
      ^this
      Aug 19, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product Kemw
    Microsoft just gave all medium to high performers special stock award to lessen the pay back. Itโ€™s my second SSA in the last 12 months, Iโ€™ve gotten extra 170K stock in the past 12 months from Microsoft, and I have < 5 YOE. Given stock appreciation Iโ€™m in no way underpaid anymore
    Aug 16, 2018 3
    • Wow! Whatโ€™s your level at msft my friend?
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product Kemw
      Just got to 63
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Congratulations.
      Can you share your new tc?

      Also, how do you calculate new tc with this ssa? Base + cash bonus + stock granted this year or base + cash + stock vested? I guess the difference can be big.

      I am lv62, TC 180k
      Aug 16, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product pizzaqueen
    I think G saw something in u that MS didn't. While this is a hard pill to swallow it can happen. There are lots of reasons...different tech stack and u failed one but nailed the other, team fit, etc. Although, I am perplexed they even made u an offer with those low numbers.
    Aug 18, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng sadTT
    What level, role, TC offer?
    Aug 16, 2018 5
    • Google / Eng i-am-stud
      OP
      Updated
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng sadTT
      Damn that offer is a joke!
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Oracle xmmd9emd
      You didn't update w/ level.
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Google / Eng i-am-stud
      OP
      Senior
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Microsoft Jhvf11
      Do you know 63 or 64? If 64, they can give you up to ~300. For more, they have to move you to principal. If youโ€™re L5, thatโ€™s possible but they might not willing to do. My suggestion, dont waste your time on negotiating with Microsoft with this initial numbers.
      Aug 16, 2018
  • Apple EXQB54
    Well, is your RSU pipeline full at Google? So wouldn't it make sense to compare TC with yearly rsu at MSFT with full pipeline?

    Unless you already took this into account then yikes.
    Aug 16, 2018 3
    • Google / Eng i-am-stud
      OP
      What is RSU pipeline?
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Indeed / Eng PorshePwns
      Dolla bills are dolla bills
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Apple EXQB54
      Example: 100k/4yr granted each year. First year you get 25, next year 50, next year 75, next year 100, next year 100...and so on. Pipeline full.
      Aug 16, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Chapters
    Some guy just posted an offer at Senior level 64 with a TC above 300k your TC looks to be SDE 2?

    He said he got offered:

    Base: $184k
    Sign-on bonus: $100k over 2 years
    RSUs: $320k over 4 years
    Maximum Cash Bonus: Up to 30% of the base
    Aug 16, 2018 1
    • Microsoft OxOy42
      Do we have RSU that vest over 4 years?

      I thought it was always 5?
      Aug 25, 2018
  • 180 - 190k is indeed laughable, even lower than msft home brew seniors
    Aug 16, 2018 0
  • Dassault Systemes / Eng fhMw67
    Spill the beans. What were the numbers.
    Aug 16, 2018 0
  • Microsoft ECNL41
    Are tye Goog and Microsoft positions you're talking about in the same location? 200k in Redmond isnt bad. G/L in SV though.
    Aug 19, 2018 0
  • Microsoft UEMF47
    ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
    Aug 16, 2018 0
  • Microsoft VMba13
    I think Microsoft gives a very competitive offer keeping that msft has 93k employees compared to google only 48k almost half, and both msft and google has same market cap if google had 93k employee, then there salary structure would have different too. Both are great company but just wanted to share my thoughts.
    Aug 16, 2018 0
  • Oracle / Eng acfL58
    What level were you hired at Google?
    Aug 16, 2018 0

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