Microsoft vs. Atlassian

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Feb 7, 2018 26 Comments

Microsoft - Core Services Engineering (Redmond)

Atlassian - Platform Services team (Mountain View)

MSFT comp is slightly higher considering COL and a few other things. This will be my first job out of college beside internships. I prefer to be in the bay - [If you want an A+ career in technology, move to the Bay Area. — Gayle Laakmann McDowell](http://www.gayle.com/blog/2015/11/if-you-want-an-a-career-in-technology-move-to-the-bay-area) but wouldn’t mind the greater Seattle area either.

The most important thing for me is career growth. In terms of prestige, MSFT will be a strong name on my resume to helps open doors in the future. But I feel like I will learn more at Atlassian, just because is smaller and I will have more responsibilities.

Lastly, what’s the minimum amount of time should I stay in my first job before switching without looking like a job-hopper. Thanks.

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  • Microsoft jRwA75
    Core Services Engineering (CSE) = Microsoft internal IT.

    Much less respected than the engineering teams that work on the products and core technologies. Crappy leadership too from what I have heard.

    You'll be working on things like the login 2fa app, email distribution list sign up, corporate vpn that only works %50 of the time...

    Im sure there are some good teams in CSE, but overall I think you should pick the platforms team if you have a choice.

    Stay in your first job no less than 2 years imo.
    Feb 7, 2018 5
    • Amazon / Eng
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      OK so you’re saying is not worth to take Microsoft over Atlassian just to have the brand/stamp on my resume? And that I will learn more with Atlassian platform team.
      Feb 7, 2018
    • Microsoft cPdW66
      Def agree! Very hard to get out of CSE into a product group. :(
      Feb 7, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      AmlEvil

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      No, not worth it, not at this cost.

      It’s very disingenuous of them to rename MSIT to CSE, makes it sound like they’re working on core Microsoft services when it’s quite the opposite.
      Feb 8, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Ex-Msft

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      CSE has a very bad reputation internally. I’ve known one person who made it out, but in general it’s harder for someone there to even get an interview on a product team.
      Feb 8, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      AmlEvil

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      That is true about getting an interview being hard, but part of it is also that there are a lot of people from there who are seemingly spamming product groups with applications.
      Feb 8, 2018
  • Google jghyrh
    I can't imagine working on jira and not wanting to kill myself
    Feb 7, 2018 1
    • CareerBuilder hdTI13
      Truth
      Feb 7, 2018
  • Oracle FartHard
    I've heard culture at Atlassian is amazing
    Feb 7, 2018 7
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Curious to know the engineering culture for Atlassian in SF vs MTV vs Austin?
      Feb 7, 2018
    • Atlassian / Eng
      kotlinin2

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      I haven't been to Austin and have spent just a day at SF, but the MTV office culture is pretty great. They're hiring a lot, so you see a lot of new faces every other week. I've experienced that people tend to meet people from different teams during lunch so there's that office wide interactions. Also work place team is great.
      A few products are pretty much based out of MTV so majority senior leadership for these is here.
      Anything specific you wanna know?
      Feb 7, 2018
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      I don’t know how long you been working at Atlassian, but what makes you stay at Atlassian? If you were in my shoe as a new grad which one would you take and why?
      Feb 7, 2018
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      kotlinin2

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      I've been here a bit more than 6 months. As a new grad, I'd say the best thing about Atlassian is that you get exposure to the latest and greatest libraries and technologies. Also lots of new work happening (as you can guess with the hiring) so you get to work on products that will be the foundation for the next few years.
      Don't think you get this much control and exposure as a new grad at MSFT
      Feb 7, 2018
    • Atlassian Hrdp41
      Hahahhahahha
      Mar 30, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product pizzaqueen
    Agree on CSE. It is generally lower skilled folks that aren't able to get into Product teams. Agree with precious comment on leadership. Until the other poster said Atlassian in Bay Area is not the same as the Austin one re: culture, I woulda recommended Atlassian. One thing to note on MS...u can probably move to a product group after a year or.so in CSE...if u r good enough🙄. If u were choosing between MS and Atlassian in Austin, hands down Atlassian.
    Feb 7, 2018 0
  • CareerBuilder hdTI13
    Bay Area was where you used to go, but that is changing VERY rapidly. I personally think Seattle is the sweet spot these days. I've lived both places but now I'm back in the southeast. To answer your last question, 2 years is a good tenure but no less than 1 year unless things are really bad. You can get away with hopping around a good amount in your 20s. Doesn't start to look bad until your early 30s.
    Feb 7, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Zmzmzmzmz
    MS has shit divisions, but if you are in Azure or AI&R or MSR, life is amazing. Underwater data centers to constantly new features used by real customers. There is a reason MSFT stock is skyrocketing.
    Feb 7, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng
      AmlEvil

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      Except this is CSE and not Azure.
      Feb 8, 2018
  • Microsoft Zmzmzmzmz
    No state tax in Washington too plus lower cost of living in general. 100k salary here is like at least $130k in bay area.
    Feb 7, 2018 0
  • Atlassian / Eng MzcB47
    Platform service doesn’t have much legacy code to deal with as the whole team were formed when we moved our infrastructure to AWS. I think they make micro services that used for different Atlassian products. It’s pretty interesting and challenging because as we continue decomposing the products, more stuff will be handled by the platform services instead of the product(jira, confluence)itself
    Mar 29, 2018 0
  • Atlassian weed
    Platform services is growing and tons of work to do/ new projects been started. Things are changing a lot and a lot of emphasis is on building the platform. One thing I like about Atlassian is ownership and openness. I disagree that that the culture at MTV is any different than Austin or SF. I often travel to SF and don’t find much of a difference.
    Feb 12, 2018 0
  • Microsoft elanor
    If can change from CSE (which I believe is MSIT) to another division specially, Azure, Bing/AI+R, Xbox etc then hands down Microsoft.

    I had some interesting with asking engineers first hand. Granted it is a very small dataset, but I was left with the impression that the quality of engineering talent was not really that high. Microsoft also had mixed quality Devs. But you are more likely to come across them specially in the right group. At this stage of your career please focus on maximising your learning and exposure hard and relevant problem space.
    Feb 9, 2018 0
  • VMware Lucky9
    If u don't mind, could u please share the Tc offered by Atlassian and the level, since I recently interviewed with them and would like to know about the tc
    Feb 8, 2018 0
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    Ex-Msft

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    I’m not sure Microsoft had the prestige it once did. At any rate, Microsoft might be good if you want to learn about the Microsoft stack, Azure, C#, etc. But to be honest, the stuff you’ll learn elsewhere will likely be more applicable outside Microsoft if you’re not planning on staying forever.
    Feb 7, 2018 0