Microsoft Redmond: stong 61 - TC first year - 191k TC second year - 191k
How is the promotion and increment cycle at Microsoft? Is SharePoint/onedrive team good to work for ? How much time could it take me to get to level 62?
Salesforce SF: MTS - TC first year 202.5k TC second year - 177.5k
Again how is the promotion and increment cycle at Salesforce and how much time could it take me to get to SMTS position?
Both offers are non-negotiable.
Yes, considering CoL and tax, i will probably save 40k more in 2 years if i join Microsoft. But would it be worth it?
I do not know the promotion and increments at both the firms
- 6.86% effective for state + lower federal tax requisite for the same take-home pay. ~8% for 200k. I'm assuming OP doesn't intend to stay at 200k indefinitely, as income rises tax savings do to. 10% is a easy round number to think about. Difference in this case is <5k.
- Salesforce / Eng SlimJimmoreCall me devils advocate but there’s one thing nobody’s asked you here.
Do you want to live in Redmond or San Francisco? Do you care?
2 pretty different lives.
This will affect your happiness over the TC differences.
You could also see if Salesforce will bump you their offer to match.
- Microsoft gadagdiaAnd remember MSFT stock 🚀. Low CoL. No state tax. And stock performing well.
- It drives me nuts that people misrepresent that platitude so often. The statement is, "Past performance is not a guarantee of future performance."
Past performance *is* an indicator of future performance. That is the fundamental thesis which allows reversion and momentum trading strategies, and there is a wealth of literature supporting it.
Indicators are not guarantees. But they're also not "terrible measures." Which do you think is more likely to produce profits in the future: a business which is currently producing profits, or a business which is not producing profits?
- Growth at Microsoft is slow. A strong 61 means you’re a 61. The recruiter has zero influence on your promotion cycle.
- A 6 month promotion would be rock star level performance. Like you made serious serious impact. Tbh, it’s an extremely unlikely scenario. The average promotion from 61 to 62 is 2 years.
A lot of smart and talented people at a company like Microsoft. So be honest with yourself about your skill set to gauge how long it’ll take you to get promoted to 62. My money is on the norm.
- How are you figuring your TC? Curious if you’re using 10% or 20% for bonus
- Microsoft iamletiredMicrosoft has quarterly promotions, but most happen in September and March. September is when probably 50% of promotions happen due to budget considerations. 61 to 62 is within band. On average 1.5 to 2 years, with many people significantly longer and a few a bit faster. 2 years is probably a safe bet. From 62 to 63 is a bigger chasm. Expect at least 2 years except for the very strongest performers. Bonus target goes up from 10% to 15% and stock target goes up a bit as well. I think it's something like $18k at l63? Annual stock grants don't become big until you get to l65 and get high rewards. Though small, Microsoft does give annual stock grants and salesforce doesn't.