Microsoft vs Salesforce

Salesforce ybgstr
Oct 27 41 Comments

Yoe: 3+

Microsoft Redmond: stong 61 - TC first year - 191k TC second year - 191k
How is the promotion and increment cycle at Microsoft? Is SharePoint/onedrive team good to work for ? How much time could it take me to get to level 62?

Salesforce SF: MTS - TC first year 202.5k TC second year - 177.5k
Again how is the promotion and increment cycle at Salesforce and how much time could it take me to get to SMTS position?

Both offers are non-negotiable.

Update:
Yes, considering CoL and tax, i will probably save 40k more in 2 years if i join Microsoft. But would it be worth it?
I do not know the promotion and increments at both the firms

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  • Qualcomm / Eng sashimi30
    You will basically make a ton more money at MS Redmond.
    Oct 27 5
    • Salesforce / Eng Honolulu🌞
      Remember no state income tax for Washington. That's an added 10% to MSFT
      Oct 27
    • Qualcomm / Eng sashimi30
      Exactly, on top of the night-and-day CoL difference. OP is getting seriously screwed if they go with Salesforce.
      Oct 27
    • Netflix
      OPQRST

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      OPQRSTmore
      I guess you don’t pay attention to taxes - they are not flat rather progressive. At 200k income in TC, your effective state tax is 6.8%
      Oct 27
    • Netflix.. what site did you use to get this breakdown
      Oct 27
    • Salesforce / Eng Honolulu🌞
      6.86% effective for state + lower federal tax requisite for the same take-home pay. ~8% for 200k. I'm assuming OP doesn't intend to stay at 200k indefinitely, as income rises tax savings do to. 10% is a easy round number to think about. Difference in this case is <5k.
      Oct 27
  • ServiceNow SurficeNow
    What's a "strong" 61?
    Oct 27 3
    • Salesforce ybgstr
      OP
      Hr said it's not a standard 61 ... It's a strong 61. Even I am unsure of what that means
      Oct 27
    • Qualcomm / Eng ggnori
      I'm guessing they meant above median offer for l61
      Oct 27
    • Microsoft lHcN54
      Maybe it means they can promote you sooner. Like less than a year after you join. I joined in summer 3 years ago at 61 and was promoted to 62 next March
      Oct 27
  • Tableau smVr34
    Salesforce stock is quite stable as well
    Oct 27 0
  • Salesforce / Eng
    SlimJim

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    SlimJimmore
    Call me devils advocate but there’s one thing nobody’s asked you here.

    Do you want to live in Redmond or San Francisco? Do you care?

    2 pretty different lives.

    This will affect your happiness over the TC differences.

    You could also see if Salesforce will bump you their offer to match.
    Oct 28 0
  • Microsoft gadagdia
    And remember MSFT stock 🚀. Low CoL. No state tax. And stock performing well.
    Oct 27 5
    • Tableau / Eng
      PhanPhreak

      Tableau Eng

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      PhanPhreakmore
      Past performance is a terrible measure for future stock performance
      Oct 27
    • Salesforce rickroIIa
      It drives me nuts that people misrepresent that platitude so often. The statement is, "Past performance is not a guarantee of future performance."

      Past performance *is* an indicator of future performance. That is the fundamental thesis which allows reversion and momentum trading strategies, and there is a wealth of literature supporting it.

      Indicators are not guarantees. But they're also not "terrible measures." Which do you think is more likely to produce profits in the future: a business which is currently producing profits, or a business which is not producing profits?
      Oct 27
    • Tableau / Eng
      PhanPhreak

      Tableau Eng

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      PhanPhreakmore
      Growth rate keeps getting harder to maintain. Msft doubled in two years. Yes it is more difficult to double again
      Oct 27
    • Salesforce rickroIIa
      That's a much better thesis for why future performance will not mirror past performance
      Oct 27
    • Salesforce mlrocks
      Infact Salesforce stock is ready to break out and rip up, after 1 year of consolidation
      Oct 28
  • Salesforce Bill Gatez
    Growth at Microsoft is slow. A strong 61 means you’re a 61. The recruiter has zero influence on your promotion cycle.
    Oct 27 4
    • Salesforce ybgstr
      OP
      What do mean by slow? Do you know how long on average will it take to reach 62
      Oct 27
    • Microsoft lHcN54
      Usually on lower levels (62 and below) it takes from half a year up to 2 years to get promoted. Depends on your perf.
      Oct 27
    • Microsoft / Data
      Demos0923B

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      Demos0923Bmore
      A lot depends on your org
      Oct 27
    • Salesforce Bill Gatez
      A 6 month promotion would be rock star level performance. Like you made serious serious impact. Tbh, it’s an extremely unlikely scenario. The average promotion from 61 to 62 is 2 years.

      A lot of smart and talented people at a company like Microsoft. So be honest with yourself about your skill set to gauge how long it’ll take you to get promoted to 62. My money is on the norm.
      Oct 27
  • Microsoft iOhs74
    How are you figuring your TC? Curious if you’re using 10% or 20% for bonus
    Oct 27 4
    • Salesforce ybgstr
      OP
      No I am not adding any bonus. Also what's the average bonus and increment at msft?
      Oct 27
    • Microsoft iOhs74
      61 would be 10% target (most likely) up to 20%
      Oct 27
    • Salesforce ybgstr
      OP
      What's the promotion cycle? I mean when (month) does this increment happen
      Oct 27
    • Microsoft lHcN54
      Microsoft has 4 promotion cycles (December, March, June and September), 2 most known (March and especially September)
      Oct 27
  • Amazon god
    Is 3+ YOE regarded as L61? What about L63?
    Oct 27 1
    • Microsoft hisky
      At least 7+
      Oct 28
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Birkin

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    Birkinmore
    Microsoft gives you $9500 if you max out your 401k every year.
    Oct 27 0
  • Akamai Technologies hpBF22
    Microsoft is a better company
    Oct 27 0
  • Tableau / Eng
    PhanPhreak

    Tableau Eng

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    PhanPhreakmore
    I haven't heard good things about SharePoint/OneDrive
    Oct 27 2
    • Microsoft QwIn20
      I’ve heard great things!
      Oct 29
    • Tableau / Eng
      PhanPhreak

      Tableau Eng

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      PhanPhreakmore
      Really?????
      Oct 29
  • Microsoft iamletired
    Microsoft has quarterly promotions, but most happen in September and March. September is when probably 50% of promotions happen due to budget considerations. 61 to 62 is within band. On average 1.5 to 2 years, with many people significantly longer and a few a bit faster. 2 years is probably a safe bet. From 62 to 63 is a bigger chasm. Expect at least 2 years except for the very strongest performers. Bonus target goes up from 10% to 15% and stock target goes up a bit as well. I think it's something like $18k at l63? Annual stock grants don't become big until you get to l65 and get high rewards. Though small, Microsoft does give annual stock grants and salesforce doesn't.
    Oct 27 1
    • Salesforce Bill Gatez
      Salesforce does give additional equity to top performers.
      Oct 27
  • Salesforce alohaohana
    Worked both in MSFT and SFDC. I would go with MSFT with your numbers
    Oct 28 0
  • Goldman Sachs baburao1
    Mind sharing offer breakdown for MSFT?
    Oct 27 0
  • Salesforce / Eng Full-Send
    Both great companies. Your scenario I'd roll with MS.
    Oct 27 0
  • Microsoft hisky
    Definitely Microsoft. Better growth, better benefit and better Money overall.
    Oct 27 0

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