New grad entry level offers from MS and Uber. Really worried about Uber's future but I interned there and had positive experience. MS is only giving me half as much RSUs as Uber. Should I negotiate and how likely MS will increase their compensation if there are competing offers? Thanks!
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- Microsoft ass2mouthI was in the same situation but I'm now a senior at MSFT. Uber has a lot of growth potential but management is unorganized and unproven. It's a calculated gamble. I'm happy in my choose to join MSFT because I can go from SDE 2-Senior in under 3 years with relatively better job security. Uber is a gamble seniors folks make for RSUs. If you are not in the +1M RSU range I would join Microsoft and get some good experience under your belt then do the startup game for big money when your have cash to float and wait out an IPO.
- Google thevergeIf you are a new grad, don't look at the money, it's too small and meaningless. Look at growth pace, Uber is much faster, go there. Worst case you need to find another job in 2 years, but you can get an l4 in fb/Google whereas at Ms, you still be stuck in slow growth mode.
- Microsoft / Eng FffffffftI can’t believe no one has mentioned this yet - the offers may seem roughly comparable now, but the yearly refreshes you’ll get at Microsoft will be practically nothing. It’s dependent on performance but regardless it will be 5-10x lower than what you’d receive at Uber. Over time that will make the comp difference huge.
Beyond that, Microsoft is effectively the new IBM (with the possible exception of Azure). You will learn Microsoft technologies (irrelevant to the rest of the industry) and you’ll learn at a much slower pace vs a place like Uber. Microsoft is a great place to be when you’re okay with the comp and you have a family that you want to focus on. It’s an awful place to start out your career nowadays, when you need to be pushed to grow.
Really this is a no-brainer even given the questions about Uber’s future
- Uber nonamefI can't believe new grads are even considering MS when you have Uber offer on hand. You're not in your 50s waiting for retirement, you'll grow way faster at Uber career wise, and even when you leave, Uber brand is much stronger, though it's just a bonus.
I've been there, you should take the advice from MS guys with a grain of salt, because many of them don't even know what fast paced environment means while still feel grow a lot. The worst thing is you don't know what you don't know. You'll be very likely ended up dealing with politics all the time and working on small features with all the old MS tech stack. Even Uber fails big and your RSU worth $0, you still won't regret.
- Uber 1357I was in the same position few weeks ago. I chose Uber over G, MS, and Snap.
- Uber / Eng bagOp, picking Uber is a no-brainer. You can go to Microsoft any time later if you want, it will always be around. Uber's ride is more exciting :)
Also many parts of Microsoft are not considered good externally. Some orgs are good though.
Microsoft also has had multiple large layoffs.
- Microsoft / Eng russiaMicrosoft layoffs are not financially motivated, they are a way to adjust strategy and rehome lower performers. It happens every year.
But I agree that MS will be around for a while so you could do Uber first. Personally I wouldn't work at Uber just because I don't find their product to be interesting but that's just me.Sep 30, 2017 0
- Uber / Eng SightmoreConsider the pros and cons as it pertains to your long term growth. I wouldn’t pay too much attention to RSUs this early in your career.
Microsoft is established. It is a great place to learn scale and gain exposure to matured systems. It will be less demanding and there will be a broad base of knowledge to pull from.
Uber will work you hard. You’ll gain exposure to startup culture (both the pros and the cons). You’ll likely have more freedom, but it will come at the cost of chaos and constant restructuring. There is probably more upward mobility at Uber at this point in the game, but I wouldn’t expect to rise into Senior management (they’ll be looking for people who have proven themselves elsewhere for that).
So to me, this comes down to where you want to be over the long haul and which story will be seen as the best stepping stone. Think long term and you’ll outperform those with short-term mindsets.
Either way you go, both are good options for a young grad. Congrats and good luck.