Microsoft's total compensation is not that shitty

Microsoft ……
Jul 16 49 Comments

Microsoft is giving a lot of valuable benefits which will add into the package.
1. Help with green card no matter which level of you.
2. Good family medical insurance. This is super important for family with kids.
3. 401k ESPP.
4. Sick Leave, Work from home, Vocations etc.
5. Good work life balance mostly.
6. Good job security. Microsoft rarly fire people, it filled with many incompeteive old people, and company doesnt care too much.
Small companies will fire you hundreds times.

Given all of the above I would say Microsoft TC number adds 20% is the fair value.

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TOP 49 Comments
  • Microsoft / Mgmt Dunph
    Microsoft is the only company out of Google, fb, Apple, etc that has had layoffs in the past 15+ years.
    Jul 16 6
  • Oath Atinlay2
    Poor you
    Jul 16 9
    • Oath Atinlay2
      Verizon Media is just fine, thank you. Wtf is Nauto and Fred Hutch?
      Jul 16
    • Google BEqb63
      Mr Glass too, our resident 8chan incel who feels threatened by minorities because he is a fat wimp
      Jul 16
    • Oath Atinlay2
      ^This
      Jul 17
    • Google Mr. GIass
      I am a fat wimp because I ate my Oath boy. Oath boy only comes out to post on Blind.
      Jul 17
    • Oracle PgEo55
      Fred hutch cures cancer. In terms of lasting impact, wcc has us all beat. We just make rich assholes richer.
      2d
  • Apple MClayton
    Did Microsoft HR write this?
    Jul 16 3
    • Microsoft ……
      OP
      no
      Jul 16
    • PayPal
      zillions

      PayPal

      PRE
      Google
      zillionsmore
      maybe
      Jul 16
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      Microsoft Product

      PRE
      Bain & Company
      Brazukamore
      Yes
      Jul 16
  • Tableau / Eng
    ZeroKooll

    Tableau Eng

    PRE
    Microsoft
    ZeroKoollmore
    Except shitty refreshers that make leaving after 3/4 years result in 2x your TC
    Jul 16 0
  • Bloomberg cg_ny
    Isn’t all this true for all fang as well?
    Jul 16 14
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      3 months to 6 months difference. Also one question, do you think applying for I140 before H-1B is a good idea? I’m still on OPT and Amazon said they’d apply for H1B and GC. I am worried if there would be any consequences if I140 gets approved and H1B won’t get picked in lottery. Would it impact my L1B visa if I go out of country for a year and come back?
      Jul 16
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      Microsoft Product

      PRE
      Bain & Company
      Brazukamore
      Depending on how much time is left on your OPT you can do the entire GC process without H1B. Anyhow, ask the lawyers once you join
      Jul 16
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      I have two more years on OPT. But even if I40 gets approved and I don’t get H1B in the next two tries, I won’t get GC because I am an Indian. I would ask the lawyers but I’d like to know if anyone were in the same shoes
      Jul 16
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      Microsoft Product

      PRE
      Bain & Company
      Brazukamore
      Btw, the timeframes I informed was for non Indian non Chinese. Not sure how it varies for them
      Jul 16
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      Oh yeah, understandable. Thank you for the info though.
      Jul 16
  • Airbnb $$$👑💍
    Then airbnb is 30% more than its TC value since WLB is better and job is more stable. ( I am ex msft er)
    Jul 16 3
    • Microsoft ……
      OP
      airbnb didnt ipo yet, just paper money.
      Jul 16
    • Microsoft ……
      OP
      airbnb has many legal affairs which makes them hard to ipo.
      recrutor didnt tell u
      Jul 16
    • Oracle PgEo55
      Airbnb more stable than msft? Haha, this won't age well.
      2d
  • Microsoft peekachoo
    I agree.. The benefits are unbeatable when you include work life balance as well.. one of the reasons comp is so low is because people sit around for years and don't want to leave.. Others have higher comp cos of ppl jumping around - why would you when things are so comfortable.. Also having lived in sf and Seattle - Seattle is still wayyyy more affordable..
    Jul 16 2
    • Bloomberg cg_ny
      Well... I mean WLB is important but is it fun and interesting to only be around ppl who are “comfortable” ?
      Jul 16
    • Microsoft peekachoo
      Well it's not like no one works.. Obviously most people ranting tend to exaggerate.. Microsoft didn't just get to a trillion dollars with everyone slacking.. I've met brilliant engineers in every team that I've been in.. Always had a lot to learn.. And Microsoft is so large that I'm pretty certain you will find any kind of product / challenges if you look around.. Including easy and fast paced teams.. Besides, it also means you get to try new things without fear of failure.. Just because you're not constantly under pressure to perform doesn't mean it's not "fun"..
      I agree the tc is a little lower today than market.. But that's because everyone outside Microsoft is always jumping around to increase their tc.. And no one inside wants to leave..
      Jul 16
  • Microsoft / Product
    Brazuka

    Microsoft Product

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    Bain & Company
    Brazukamore
    Go back to work Kathleen
    Jul 16 0
  • Facebook PointerGen
    Commitment Bias.
    OP, you should Google it.
    Jul 16 0
  • Apple MClayton
    2/3/4 is every big tech company. 1 and 5 is at most of them. 6, not sure.
    Jul 16 1
    • Oracle PgEo55
      Amazon 401k sucks, so not true of all.
      2d
  • Microsoft TiFW02
    Point 6 is not true with all the RIFs we have been having....also dont forget the bad leadership CVP downwards that is a tax itself
    Jul 16 0