Tired of Seattle.
Minneapolis seems like a nice place to raise a family. Are there good tech companies that you recommend?
Tired of Seattle.
- New FGTRTDIf you are looking for TC go independent. Amazon is the only company in MN that can compete with consulting rates.
- My situation is somewhat complicated, but I am trying to get out to the bay area. I would settle for Portland, Seattle, or maybe Austin.
TC needs to be right for me to leave. The work needs to be somewhat interesting too. Knowing bay area CoL I shot for Netflix but didn't land the job (it was my first west coast style interview; my last consulting interview at Best Buy was a 12 minute phone call). As much as I want to get the hell out of this state, I won't leave if it's a downgrade in lifestyle. Happy to refer should you come out, PM anytime.
What else - search for meetups for whatever tech you're interested in. There's probably a meetup. Startup scene is okay. https://tech.mn r/twincities, r/minneapolis, and r/minnesota.Jan 7 1
- I created a spreadsheet with expected salaries, housing costs, transit, etc. for several metro areas including Bay Area, Seattle, Minneapolis and NYC suburbs. Seattle came out on top and NYC suburbs (NJ, CT, etc.) were also good since home prices drop quite a bit outside of NYC city limits (though still high) and you can still have an NYC salary. Minneapolis is tough due to the low salaries and housing in the nicer Minneapolis suburbs isn’t that cheap. Remote work or Amazon pay would make Minneapolis come out on top. With family, Bay Area is at the bottom due to housing costs, you need a dual income very senior or manager level couple to make it worth it. Weather in the Bay Area is great, but other quality of life factors make it too stressful for me.Jan 8 2
- That's interesting - what are your expected salary values for Bay Area, Seattle, and Minneapolis?
I was thinking that experienced engineers in Bay Area should be pretty doable with a family. With the Netflix gig I was looking at 4+ bedroom homes for rent in Los Gatos (safe + excellent schools) and a 300K salary that would have been no problem. Maybe I'm missing something?
In the twin cities metro if you stay out of Edina, Wayzata, and certain parts of Minneapolis most suburbs are affordable. Plymouth, Maple Grove, Woodbury, Eden Prairie, and Eagan are nice and not too far from either downtown. If you prefer proximity to downtown to "overall niceness" the suburbs immediately west of Minneapolis are fine. I would avoid the northern suburbs (cheap, lots of uh, outdoor enthusiasts) and most of the suburbs on the east side except for Woodbury.Jan 8 0
- I estimated something like 300, 280 and 140k for Bay Area, Seattle and Minneapolis, respectively. I think if you rent a home in the Bay Area you’re fine. It’s not worth it to buy in the Bay Area if you’re only making 300k. Either your commute becomes too long or you end up in a crappy area with bad schools. Also the housing stock in general is a lot worse in CA than in MN. And traffic is absolutely awful. Edina will seem cheap and easy compared to even crappy areas in the Bay. We have family in the MN western suburbs and having a similar lifestyle in CA would be tough. Long story short, move to CA only for career, your lifestyle will definitely take a hit so you better have a satisfying job.Jan 8 0
- I think you have a pretty accurate and realistic breakdown of the differences. When I looked at going to CA I didn’t think I could really replicate my lifestyle/comfort that I have in Minneapolis even at 300k/yr. There are a lot of other positive reasons to go but that huge salary jump isn’t the lifestyle upgrade some people might assume it is. It definitely seems to me it’s better to do the reverse like most people, go there young, live frugally, save a lot, and go do what you want. I’ve become accustom to a lot of the niceties afforded me here and it’d be hard to give them up.Jan 8 1
- Rally Health is another one that’s hiring more engineers in the Minneapolis area that seems to pay better. Their scale is somewhat dictated by their predominant SV presence. But I also heard some not great things about them.
There’s a tiny Microsoft presence due to a recent acquisition as well.