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Model S owners - do you recommend it?

Salesforce / EngBenion
Nov 9

Looking to buy used Model S - 2015 or 2016. Love the car overall. It’s not as sporty as other sports sedans - the likes of BMW m3 or Mercedes C43, but very comfortable and really fast acceleration for all practical use cases.

The complains I have been hearing are on service and maintenance department - specially around delays in service.

This will be my only car, so a little worried about reliability issues. Current Tesla model S owners - do you recommend it?

Also, recommend your choice on getting dual motor vs single motor.

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The used model S comes with 4 years 50k warrantee.

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  • Microsoft Jolos
    I think you got your mind set because people try to talk you out of it and you just don’t listen.

    Those cars breaks down, especially the ones that are going out of warranty. Replacing ANY part is expansive as hell overall not worth it is what we are all saying.

    But you keep talk back on people who said don’t buy it so just buy it already and delete the post.
    Nov 911
    • Microsoft Jolos
      I do and that model s cost me 10k to fix right out of warranty shit head, go buy one and deal with it.
      Nov 9
    • Netflix / Eng
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      @Jolos
      What was the issue with your model S? Did it happen after warranty expired?

      How was your experience with the car when it was still under warranty and how do your rate their customer service?
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft Jolos
      All 4 door handle failed for the 1st or second time in the past years and this time it is out of warranty spent a few k there.

      Some I don’t know what broke inside the car and replacement is always in the 600-1000$ range for the smallest thing.

      Display went bad outside of warranty so about 5k on that.

      Then small thing like 12v battery for 400$ and this and that I spent over 10k right out of warranty.

      The shop fee is 175$/hour.... just to get you some idea.

      While it was within warranty everytime something goes wrong I bring to them and they fix it. It was like 2-3 time every year and I don’t remember all the small details.

      Customer service ok-ish. Just parts are freaking expansive.
      Nov 9
    • Netflix / Eng
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      Thanks, I am surprised that they were able to surpass the sales for Mercedes with these many reliability issues.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft / EngSenoritaWE
      What year? Bought new?
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft Jolos
      You are talking like Mercedes is the god amount humans, Mercedes bmw and Audi all breaks down after 5 years check any car review channel.

      You should notice that German used cars usually resale at below KBB value by a fair margin, this is common knowledge and the reaction to their low reliability rating once aged. Then you can see almost all Lexus sells above KBB value because they usually don’t need any repair except routine maintenance.

      Those German cars all have major repair cost down the line. The reason why people buy them are for the prestige and luxury. Same goes for Tesla, it is THE electric car and newest shit in the market to buy. That doesn’t mean they don’t break down. In fact the only luxury ish car that is reliable is Lexus. Other than that Porsche comes second as reliable luxury daily driver.

      Ps: I’m a cheap person and I like cars. (Performance/luxury vs price) So I always try to get the most value out of a car. I drove many cars both new and used so I notice the differences. By the way BMW is the most unreliable car ever (right next to the fiats)

      Psps: for those who don’t know Maserati is a fiat sub division and although people goes WAOW a Maserati, those cars out of warranty will kill your bank account.
      Nov 9
    • Netflix / Eng
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      Thanks Jolos, that’s a lot of good info. Since you like cars which are also cost effective- I am curious to see what your recommendations are on luxury sports sedans
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft Jolos
      This might not be as sporty but I do have a kid so I need to put a car seat.

      Personally I really like the Lexus GS350
      4-door and top trim can go to 467 horsepower.

      If you don’t use backseat

      Porsche Cayman.

      If you don’t use backseat and want to spent a little more money.

      Porsche 911.
      Lexus LC.

      Only my own opinion
      Nov 9
    • Netflix / Eng
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      Pretty nice list, I was leaning on Porsche Mecan
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft Jolos
      Yeah Macan is nice SUV. but you were looking for sporty sedan isn’t it?

      By the way my advice only apply if you want to keep a car long term.
      Nov 9
  • Google Locomoti
    Get a 3D instead.
    Nov 90
  • LinkedIn concave
    itt: people who don’t own a Tesla
    Nov 90
  • Tesla / Data
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    We don’t mark up parts for our vehicles, so you get them at cost price which is very different to other luxury German Automakers. Always get the dual motor version, the acceleration and torque is so high that it’s not very stable with a single motor, dual motors make the car hug the ground like you wouldn’t believe. If you compare the number of moving parts, the pumps, the fluids, the wear; a luxury ICE car has all of them, so much to go wrong. On a Tesla you have no transmission, no engine, no differentials, no belts, no spark plugs, no exhaust system. There’s actually a lot less to go wrong when you have a lot less parts. The only ‘consumable’ is really the break pads, and even then they wear substantially less as most of your cars breaking is ‘regenerative’ rather than traditional friction breaking. Also, nothing beats HOV lane access!
    Nov 119
    • Amazon / Engn0v
      Brakes and tires.
      Nov 11
    • ARM JIfV62
      Tesla brakes last way longer than ICE sedans due to regenerative braking . The only consumables are tires .

      I’ve had the autopilot system temporarily reset , on a drive when I was facing the sun . Probably lost calibration . It re-enabled itself about a day or two later .
      Nov 11
    • Tesla fallen
      and wiper blades...
      solid post
      Nov 22
    • New BFrD16
      So many fewer moving parts, so much less to break, yet still among the worst reliability in the industry...
      Nov 22
    • ARM JIfV62
      It ranks in the middle of CR reliability ratings, primarily driven by the Model X FWDs and the air suspension issue with the Model S some time ago .

      And YET, the same car ranks at or near the top of consumer satisfaction ratings from CR . What does that tell you ?
      Nov 23
    • New BFrD16
      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/10/24/tesla-reliability-tumbles-consumer-reports-survey/1748024002/

      Tesla may be riding high when it comes to wowing luxury car buyers, but it has fallen to near bottom of the pack when it comes to Consumer Reports magazine's latest auto reliability survey rankings
      Nov 23
    • New BFrD16
      https://www.businessinsider.com/survey-uk-drivers-say-tesla-model-s-most-unreliable-car-2018-9

      “The Tesla Model S came in last in a major survey ranking cars by how reliable they are”
      Nov 23
    • New BFrD16
      This tells me reliability is not at the top of the list for Tesla owners. They know it is a relatively unreliable car, but appreciate it for those other characteristics.
      Nov 23
    • ARM JIfV62
      Reliability with Tesla is a much more nuanced matter in reality .

      The Model S had early issues (2012-2015) with drive unit failures . Quite common then, with I think up to 40% needing replacing in the very earlier year . Basically non existent since about 2016 .

      However this isn’t a customer cost - Tesla has an unlimited mile drive train warranty and people simply get their DUs replaced gratis .

      The door handles were another frequent point of failure, the result of a small part within that often broke . Since redesigned and much more reliable .

      The Model X FWDs are overly complex and I’d never get one of those because I don’t want to break or damage them somehow .

      But the Model S ? Mine is a tank . It’s lived thru multiple years of abuse by family including small kids . 70000 miles and no DU replacements, door handles nothing .

      I’ve had the single DU fluid replacement at ~30K miles and that’s it . There’s no other car that’ll do that many miles with nothing being changed but tires .
      Nov 23
  • ARM JIfV62
    I’d answer you as an owner but I don’t think your expectations are in line . You compare it for sportiness to M3 and C43 . The Model S is not in that category . The Performance Model 3 is . The Model S is a grand tourer . I’d compare it to an M5 and not an M3 .

    Would I recommend it ? Fuck yes . Problems with it ? None . Years of ownership : 3 . TC : enough to pay cash back then .
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    • Netflix / Eng
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      You are right, m5 is a better competitor for model S P85.

      Which trim of model S do you own? And what’s your take between 85D and P85D
      Nov 9
    • ARM JIfV62
      Uncorked 75D. Does 0-60 in 4.2 . I don’t see the point of the P cars for my purposes. I want the range of the regular D for road trips with family, and creature comforts within .
      Nov 9
  • Amazon / Engn0v
    Model 3 is better for me. Own both.
    Nov 90
  • Salesforce / EngBenion
    OP
    People recommend against, would be helpful if you can also post your reasons
    Nov 93
  • Tesla / Ops
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    I’d buy a newer 3 over a used S, but would highly recommend either car. Source: have a 3, drive an S or X frequently for work.
    Nov 92
    • Netflix / Eng
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      +1

      Although, model 3 is ugly. One of the worst interior I have seen
      Nov 9
    • Tesla / Ops
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      That’s an opinion. I personally prefer the spartan interior design and materials of the 3 to the S/X - or any car really. But to each their own.
      Nov 9
  • Walmart.com / Eng*~*
    Surprisingly so many people are saying no to Tesla... as a side note... if you read owner experiences on Quora... you will see that all highly recommend it... two of my friends also like their S and Model X. Go for it!
    Nov 92
    • Boeing / OpsAirbus
      But most Teslas have delivered 2014 and after. That doesnt say much about long term reliability
      Nov 9
    • Walmart.com / Eng*~*
      That is true too but then by that logic you won’t able to trust any new brand. I guess it depends on the individual...
      Nov 9
  • Tesla / OpsWinterfe
    If it is going to be your only car be very wary. Tesla does offer great loaners, lyft options, ect. But with the ramp up service is slow. And depending in where you are you may not get good service. And if somthing is not in the warranty (which will be after your warranty runs out) it's super expensive. I would see what has been done to it already. If a drive unit hasnt been done, it's a ticking time bomb.
    Nov 101
    • ARM JIfV62
      The drive unit is covered by an 8 year unlimited mile warranty . Never had mine replaced so far (and I’ve north of 50k miles) but they became more reliable towards the end of 2015, early 2016.
      Nov 10
  • Tesla / EngTesl@
    Own a ModelS and a Porshe 911 . Wife owns BMW 3 series . Frankly Tesla has been more reliable than the other 2 for past 3 years of ownership. Plus hey, they give fancy higher end versions as loaners when my car goes to the shop for some minor service. So I don't complain about service at all. Deciding to sell wife's BMW and get a Model 3. (I joined Tesla recently and have been a customer before an employee)
    Nov 101
    • Google Locomoti
      They sold their loaners last quarter. Now they mostly use Enterprise to loan. 75D is what you should usually expect.
      Nov 12
  • Tesla T-M3
    The 3 is more sporty.

    The reliability issues on the first S and X were about things like door handles, etc. Annoying because the car is in the shop but still minor issues
    Nov 130
  • Amazon KHCr70
    Dont own one myself but I know 5 people that do.
    Three S, one X, one 3

    All highly recommended it
    Nov 90
  • Boeing / OpsAirbus
    Yes, please be part of guinea pig so we have more data on electric cars
    Nov 90
  • New / EngHlUE84
    Can the old ones even use enhanced autopilot?
    Nov 90
  • Intel / Other10% ESPP!
    I just saw someone post their used s on the internal message boards and I was shocked at the number of things that were replaced recently including drive unit, all door handles, charge port, HVAC, main screen, instrument panel etc.
    Nov 92
    • Salesforce / EngBenion
      OP
      Interesting, although I am betting on the fact that most issues has been fixed by original owner.
      Nov 9
    • Intel / Other10% ESPP!
      I think he got it cpo as he mentioned extended CPO warranty. These are all repairs since December 2017. This is a 2013 model s
      Nov 9
  • PayPal / EngGopherGd
    Buy Honda invest the rest on stocks
    Nov 90

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