Has anyone else noticed a lack of moderates/conservatives in tech?
As we all know, there are a lot of loud ignorant voices coming from the left and right. Some may disagree with me, but I will never go as far to say the far left wing embodies the left or the far right wing embodies the right. We are all too different as individuals to be classified as supporting all of the idealogy coming from our respective parties. We may agree with some ideas and disagree more with other ideas, pushing us into these categories.
DISCLAIMER: I fall into the moderate left category.
This may be an incorrect perception on my part, but I tend to see those in tech leaning more to the left. I am not here to speculate why that is. If you have the research to back up a supporting claim, please share. I personally would like to see a balance between left/center/right in tech. I dont think I could find one conservative speaker at SXSW. Has anyone else noticed this?
Please keep the conversation constructive.
- Uber C H O N KHonest question. What is a current conservative view that isn’t corporatist or veiled discrimination? Honestly ‘tax the rich less’ and ‘diversity = discrimination against white men’ aren’t the most compelling topics. I could imagine state vs federal power could be good topic for conservatives. Abortion, immigration and 2nd amendment are way to polarizing to have any reasonable discussion.
- Your “honest question” starts by taking two conservative view points to a dishonest conclusion.
Their view isn’t “tax the rich less” it’s essentially that taxes are theft and everyone should be taxed as little as possible, but the most important piece is actually that the tax code needs to be drastically simplified so that it isn’t ambiguous how much each family owes every year. Also despite what conservative politicians DO, most conservatives believe that federal spending across the board is out of hand.
Your second point “diversity = discrimination against white men” is a complete mischaracterization of the view that they are against laws that do in fact discriminate which flys in the face of the free market and open enterprise.
State vs. federal is an issue no one besides libertarians has bothered paying more than lip service to for decades. It use to be a conservative value but now thanks to conservatives new found faith in Jesus they have the same “moral superiority” complex that the left has and thinks that they know what’s best for every human on the planet and therefore are just as big of fans of federalism/globalism as the left.Mar 118
- Limited government, letting everyone keep more of their money, free market economics, less regulation, and legal immigration. The US is great because of distrust for government, the entrepreneurial spirit of its people. It’s the most business friendly place in the world which protects the positive tail outcomes but also has more negative tail outcomes.
How do you figure? Republicans just passed tax reform last year which did result in a reduction in tax policy complexity...sure it’s still complicated and there is a lot further to go but that doesn’t change the fact that they did simplify it.
@chonk if you listen to conservative personalities such as Shapiro who explain the nuance of position fairly well you’ll get a good picture. The problem with a lot of the conservative positions is they are nuanced and most republicans suck at articulating positions (and the media/public prefer 1 liner sound bites) which makes it very easy to have their position misrepresented. Suffice it to say you can disagree with policies such as affirmative action while still valuing diversity
- New Amazon 🐾I’m a conservative in tech. We’re hiding everywhere in tech. But I am scared for any of my coworkers to find out, because 1- they would hate me and 2- I don’t think it’s worth losing my job over it.
Leftists are full of hate / extremely intolerant. I learned this the hard way and keep my mouth shut now
- By definition conservatives like the status quo. Tech on the other hand wants to disrupt. Maybe that's why there aren't many conservative voices in tech.
- Cornerstone 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️IMO, the responses thus far are representative of the ignorance I hear from leftists.
Huddled together in an echo-chamber of disbelief; regurgitating the stereotypes they want to believe; endless social posturing based on the above; all while not realizing this is exactly what they “resist”
Yet, they wonder why their candidates lost.
Shocker: I’m a liberal
- I'm Indian, so not a lot of skin in US politics.
I absolutely agree with 'The left is Trump's biggest ally' line you see so often.
For an outsider it is so obvious how the left pushes people to the right, especially those on the fence. I'm a liberal who thinks that a lot of liberals are wrong in the way they characterize conservatives.
The way I see it the right has fewer more concentrated agendas. And the left is all over the place with outraging about everything around them and not attacking the root cause.
- > Conservatives don't want to move to SF, spend $3M on a tiny house, and walk on streets covered with human shit.
- By verbal intelligence you simply mean being loud mouth? Yes indeed. How do you classify verbal intelligence? Just talk? Talk is cheap. Action is more important than words.
Do logic and technical intelligence qualify as verbal intelligence? Or do you only mean verbal intelligence as aimless meandering of stupid shit people say on the news?
- The tech industry was also largely built by immigrants, and we know how conservatives feel about immigrants lol
- Weird how FANG, Msft, Apple, Oracle, Lyft, AMD, etc, were all created by white guys. If this country is so racist then why do immigrants come here? Aren’t they able to create these kinds of companies in their own countries if they’re so good at building up the tech industry?
- Racist compared to what? Shall we compare racial terrorism and sex attacks between the US and, let’s see, India? I’m always baffled at the people who talk shit about conservatives and the US as being racist while ignoring some of the worst human rights abuses committed globally, many times by countries that are uniformly brown. Why not go after the countries that are racist and have little to no opportunity? Wouldn’t that be more productive?
- @TrumpWins I’m not comparing levels of racism. America has a history of institutional racism and sexism. It’s true that there are other much worse places in the world, but that doesn’t change the fact that racism exists in America. Since America is my home and I think racism is harmful to America and the people that live here, I’d like to see less of it. I’d also like to see human rights abuses eliminated world wide, but it’s not a reason to ignore problems at home.Mar 113
- Conservatives tend skip college, so it makes sense and it's what they've decided. That said, I know plenty of conservatives in tech. But they wouldn't ethically be willing to work at a FAANG
- It’s likely a regional thing. I know conservatives and right leaning people in tech but they are never originally from super liberal places. Seattle and San Francisco are extremely intolerant of republicans. Can’t make a lot of friends here if you don’t go along with the leftist brainwashing
- There is a sizeable minority of sane sensible conservatives in tech but they keep their mouths shut because their kind aren't welcome in most tech office cultures.
I'm not even conservative but the nearly constant low level bigotry towards them that I've observed in this industry has made me much more sympathetic over time
Edit: I'd estimate based on my experience that maybe 5-10%of your coworkers are closeted conservatives. Maybe more, if they're really good at hiding and depending on what exactly you mean by conservative
Second edit: how do I make conservative friends in tech? I have no idea but I would like to
- Honestly you probably already have one. Stick up for them in a conversation and watch them come out of the woodwork.
Or even more crazy, find something the Trump administration did that you agree with (there’s tons out there! Start with this article... https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/25/opinions/critics-can-give-trump-credit-this-christmas-avlon/index.html) say it in conversation, it will bring them out.
- There's plenty of stuff the trump admin has done, or tried to do anyway, that I'm very favourable of (thanks for the $2k tax cut donny!). But I'm a foreigner on a work visa, and I've had bad experiences in the past regarding people trying to get me fired over petty arguments (and fired=deported for me!). So it's much too risky to say anything in the workplace
- SAP fiiR58I’ve met a lot of libertarians in tech on the west coast. Those are a weird bunch.
As I can’t vote (not a citizen) I don’t care about the “never talk politics” rule. I just straight up ask people. I know people who voted for trump (some who confessed shocked me). There are conservatives in tech in Silicon Valley they just keep quiet about it. Silicon Valley is thankfully left leaning for the most part so they choose to keep quiet as to not cause issues.
If you ask around you will find what you are looking for.
I’m left leaning and I can have some good conversations with people of the opposite view. In the trump era being loud and obnoxious is king and most people are not loud and obnoxious despite their views.
Libertarians are the worst though. There’s just no talking to them.
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- We’re here! In my business unit I would say there’s about 1/3rd that are conservative and know it. We knew when Trump got elected because some people came in crying (literally wtf, keep working the world didn’t end...) and the rest of us were like oh, hey, you’re sane and we discovered each other.
The thing about us is that we don’t talk politics in the office like everyone else has said. So look for the people who don’t talk politics or when they do use very specific policy examples that are moderate.
For instance, I’ll always chime in about how I think it’s a shame we live in a country where you can be born to a horrible mother and that’s a sin that will keep you from good health insurance. (And it’s true, I do believe everyone until the age 18 should be covered because it’s not their fault their parents are shit heads...) I always stop short of agreeing full boat with single payer but every liberal in the office just assumes I’m liberal.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 I guess it’s part of that superiority complex or something.