Are completely fucking useless. Am I wrong?
Can't speak for other companies, but in Qualcomm it's 100% true.
Mine is good, but I've had useless ones, so I believe you.
People managers? They serve a purpose that most of us techies don't see. Without them providing visibility for you and doing non-tech tasks you can't do, you'd be in a no-visibility rabbit hole.
The work they do could easily be done by engineers, especially considering the ratio of engineers to managers and considering that most engineers don’t actually work full 8 hour days. We could easily handle the 1 or two hours of managerial work that is required.
Also, elaborate on tasks they do they do that we can’t do
When I was a junior engineer I do not see the value of seniors in my team and always thought I contributed much more. When I was an engineer I did I not understand the necessity of mgrs as well, until I became one myself. They do a lot of “invisible” work(to you) so that you do not need to worry about it and get directions on which project you will be working on. Work hard to get promoted to be at least a tech lead role then you will understand
You haven't seen a good one yet.
Your username explains the reason why you can NOT see 😆
Good people managers are definitely needed. I like them better if they had engineering background or rose in the ranks. Day to day politics cannot be handled by nerds and techies. It’s a rare skill set and no wonder managers get paid more than engineers.
“Day to day politics cannot be handled by nerds and techies”. “I like them better if they had engineering background or rose in the ranks”.
A good manager is identifying and hopefully retaining talent (that's a skill), setting team direction and priorities, advocating for your team at really high levels so the business doesn't demand an impossible feature, oh and being the "throat to choke" if the team fails, showing good judgement, managing issues before they get escalated to HR, and in general setting the team up for success. So maybe they don't code anymore , they have other skills that devs certainly don't have.
My manager is fantastic. Previous manager from another company... Literally worthless.
How so? What do you like about him/her?
Imo managers that joke about their uselessness are much better managers
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I think that some good managers exist, but I really dislike mine. I don’t think he understands what is going on and never wants to look bad. On the bright side he lets his employees do pretty much anything
I think this is exactly the problem though. Accountability is an issue when managers are useless and don’t do any real work so they let engineers do whatever they want and take as much time as they want. And engineers don’t care to work that hard for their manager who doesn’t do anything except smile and nod their head
Yep what I get frustrated about is it feels like it doesn’t matter if I work hard or I do the minimum possible effort