Moving to China for work (Biz) - AMA

Microsoft Siwiissh
Jul 6, 2018 39 Comments

Seems to be a lot of misconceptions about working in China. Happy to clarify.

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  • Uber pmo
    TC?
    Jul 6, 2018 5
    • Microsoft Siwiissh
      OP
      280
      Jul 6, 2018
    • Uber pmo
      That's a pretty sweet TC for China. Which city?
      Jul 7, 2018
    • Microsoft Siwiissh
      OP
      Shanghai
      Jul 7, 2018
    • Uber pmo
      Subsidized housing too?
      Jul 7, 2018
    • Microsoft Siwiissh
      OP
      Can use their receipts to deduct it from taxes. Not really subsidized. Temp housing until i find something.
      Jul 7, 2018
  • Google / Eng 6DOV
    Microsoft?

    What ethnicity are you? How good is your Chinese? Are you a second class citizen there?

    Yoe?

    How might one go about it?
    Jul 6, 2018 3
    • Uber Itmt
      If you’re Chinese you’re first class citizen.

      But if you’re non Chinese (esp white), you’re first class+

      So don’t worry.
      Jul 6, 2018
    • Google / Eng 6DOV
      They will definitely not respect you even if you’re white.
      Jul 6, 2018
    • Amazon Pokebowl
      I must have visited the wrong part of China. No special treatment at all...
      Jul 6, 2018
  • Microsoft Siwiissh
    OP
    Nor Microsoft. I’m asian american.

    Graduated when i was 22. Worked 5 years. Then bschool. Microsoft about 3.5 years.

    Change your LinkedIn to where you want to be in China. Headhunters will contact you
    Jul 6, 2018 1
    • New / Other
      Tzal02

      New Other

      PRE
      Blue Cross Blue Shield
      Tzal02more
      /me changes location to Canada
      Jul 6, 2018
  • Microsoft Siwiissh
    OP
    Changing job so yes. A lot higher
    Jul 6, 2018 0
  • Facebook public
    Why would you do this?
    Jul 6, 2018 4
    • Microsoft Siwiissh
      OP
      Couple reasons

      1. I’m single and asian american. Easier to find a spouse there than here

      2. More money

      3. From IC to M1

      4. More desirable place to live than Seattle
      Jul 7, 2018
    • Facebook public
      Makes sense I suppose
      Jul 7, 2018
    • Uber pmo
      Makes sense except for #1. It is easier to find a spouse (way easier in fact), but the quality is not the same. You'd hook up with someone who's completely dependent on you if you ever leave China
      Jul 7, 2018
    • Microsoft Pcpirhrv
      I don’t think so. There are plenty of girls in China that work in finance that make way more than ppl in tech.
      Jul 7, 2018
  • Intuit suA2FS
    Curious are there mid to senior product manager positions open there?
    What level is your Chinese? I have decent Chinese, but not that great at reading and writing...
    Aug 6, 2018 3
    • Microsoft Cuuevevsi
      Hi - i am the OP. It’s not a tech company. China is the largest market outside the us.

      My Chinese is fluent but not native. I can very slowly read a newspaper.

      So far the Chinese i need is just understanding big meetings.
      Aug 6, 2018
    • Intuit suA2FS
      Thanks for the speedy repose OP. That is pretty amazing comp for a non tech company! Congrats!
      Were the interviews done in Chinese or in English? I am staring to look internationally and already in discussions with companies in Singapore, and had a recruiter reach out to me about Alibaba (HangZhou)...
      Aug 6, 2018
    • Microsoft Cuuevevsi
      Interviews both in English and Chinese. A lot of white boarding on strategy. My whiteboarding is all English but i explain it in Chinese.

      Chinese companies work you hard so i only wanted to do an american company.
      Aug 6, 2018
  • New / Product gostrong
    What differences have you noticed so far compared to an equivalent position at the company’s HQ city? Specifically on the job itself (talent of peers, work-life balance, career trajectory, etc...)
    Oct 14, 2018 1
    • Microsoft Qoxuyxfe
      It’s been going well. Tougher hours. Managing a team is certainly new for me and China seems to be different where it’s better for ppl to fear their bosses.

      Senior peers are half and half. Some
      Are pretty sharp and some just know this industry.

      Senior management are all pretty sharp and well pedigreed.

      I think junior folks are 75% maybe only know the industry and don’t have strong biz acumen.

      If everything goes well, i think i can level up in a year. Promos here tend to be faster than Msft
      Oct 15, 2018
  • Workday / Eng I say tc
    Do they speak English in the office or Chinese?
    Jul 25, 2018 1
    • Microsoft Zixhegevva
      Both. Top level execs all English / expats. My team that i manage and other ICs speak Chinese although i try to hold English only meetings so they can feel comfortable with English
      Jul 26, 2018
  • Uber xxvegas
    Which city?
    Jul 7, 2018 1
    • Microsoft Siwiissh
      OP
      Shanghai
      Jul 7, 2018
  • Google / Eng 6DOV
    So you have an MBA and this is a business position, not eng?
    Jul 6, 2018 1
  • Autodesk omni
    If you hold a chinese passport, you’re getting local salary at 1/2-1/3 of American salary.
    Jul 6, 2018 1
    • Microsoft Siwiissh
      OP
      American passport
      Jul 6, 2018
  • New / Other Hdjhjw
    996?
    Jul 6, 2018 1
    • Microsoft Siwiissh
      OP
      American company so no.
      Jul 6, 2018
  • GitHub / Sales Octocat123
    Curious how things are now at MSFT China. Were you able to get the promotion? Do you ever regret the move?
    Mar 22 0
  • NASA Sybil
    How many years of experience would I need to pull something off like what you did? Would 2-3 years of work + mba then directly to China give me enough leverage? Asian American btw
    Aug 2, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Siwiissh
    OP
    Corporate.

    Execs are foreigners but most are local Chinese people.

    Company taking care of visa process.

    3 months, not really delayed, not sure and not really.
    Jul 6, 2018 0
  • Microsoft jfjeiwv76
    What kind of company is it? Startup, corporate? Do they hire mostly english speaking foreigners or Chinese people? How was the visa process (timeline, delay, cost, complications)?
    Jul 6, 2018 0
  • Amazon vdQy55
    Did your TC change?
    Jul 6, 2018 0