Moving to Google with pay cut (w/o sign-on) or staying at MS

Microsoft capagup
May 1 26 Comments

Currently at MS (Redmond), Level: 64, TC: 260K - 275K. YOE: 5-8.

Google offer (Seattle/Kirkland), Level: 4, TC: 245K - 260K (15K less than current TC) and 30K - 40K sign-on bonus on top (first year 20K more with sign-on).

My current team and matched team are similar (both focused on cloud and the same area). I'm not expecting a promo at MS for this year.

Would you stay or leave? Appreciate if you can provide your perspective as well.

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  • Facebook / HR
    FmsU65

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    FmsU65more
    Don't take it. Unless you really want to work at Google. 64 at Microsoft typically maps to a 5 at Google and FB. You're essentially being downleveled and 4 is terminal level at Google. You might be a 4 forever.
    May 1 1
    • Google / Eng
      ideaa

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      ideaamore
      4 is terminal, but only for those who don't want to grow. Otherwise, if you want to grow, achieving 5 is not that hard or unlikely.
      May 1
  • Snapchat snapgame
    did you try other places? most will pay >>300 for L64. So if you haven’t I’d stay, prep more and get better offers
    May 1 3
    • Microsoft capagup
      OP
      >>300K for Seattle? I haven't actually, which companies would you suggest (besides FB)?
      May 1
    • Microsoft bdisgaj
      I switch from L64 to L6(Amazon) for 350K in Seattle. Google did this to one of my team mates as well.
      May 1
    • Snapchat snapgame
      most of top ones pay the same in Seattle and Bay area. Consider Twitter, Dropbox, Uber, Lyft, Snap, Pinterest, Oracle, Amazon (with good negotiation), Cruise
      May 1
  • Google / Eng
    ideaa

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    ideaamore
    At L4, you will get new stock refreshers worth around 70-100k each year. I think that will eventually tip google tc higher. But yes, L4 will seem as a downlevel
    May 1 1
    • Facebook / HR
      FmsU65

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      This is a great point. Google has strong refreshers and that can quickly make up the difference in total comp.
      May 1
  • Microsoft y0lo
    L4 is a huge downgrade I’d reject
    May 1 2
    • Microsoft capagup
      OP
      As far as I searched web/blind, this is very common for Google. Seems getting in as L5 is harder than promoting internally.
      May 1
    • Facebook / Eng dtgj
      L4 is 1 downgrade, nothing huge. L63s almost always comes into FB as E4. L64 maps to E5 or L5.
      May 1
  • Facebook / Eng dtgj
    Lol. Google offers these days are lowball
    May 1 0
  • Amazon / Mgmt Db8db4
    Did you factor in benefits? Especially the ones that matter to you?
    May 1 3
    • Microsoft capagup
      OP
      I mostly considered TC. G has better refreshers apperently. WLB seems about the same. G has free food and other perks that I'm not interested in. 20 day vacation after 3 years is nice. Health/401K seem similar.
      May 1
    • Google emxl11
      Google has access to the mega backdoor IRA. Not sure about MS though.
      May 1
    • Microsoft Wahh28
      MS does as well.
      Aug 23
  • Microsoft
    temp_

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    Getting in as L5 is hard for sure. But there are other places where you can go for so much more in TC.
    May 1 2
    • Microsoft capagup
      OP
      Thanks, any suggestions for Seattle (besides FB)?
      May 1
    • Microsoft
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      Airbnb, Pinterest for example
      May 1
  • Microsoft Happier
    Are you unhappy at your current role that you decided to look somewhere else?
    May 1 0
  • Amazon / Product
    dreambigYo

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    dreambigYomore
    Did you interview for L5 at Google? Was there any System Design and Leaderships
    May 1 0
  • Microsoft / Eng u7huyt54
    How did you interviews go at G?
    May 1 0
  • Microsoft pokeface
    I think Leave, because once your initial stock grant at MSFT runs out, you will likely end up with a paycut.

    But then if you really enjoy your team at MSFT, then no harm staying for a few years before leaving.

    On another note, you might want to stay at L64, because once you get to Principal level, it will be all politics.
    May 1 0
  • Microsoft no-sql
    Google sells cool aid with low Tc .. don’t take unless you are too board
    May 1 0
  • Google / Eng
    ideaa

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    ideaamore
    Google rarely gives 5 for people with yoe under 10
    May 1 0
  • Google engg1
    Skip this Google offer, interview for FB, Uber etc and get higher offers. Interview again in sometime for L5 Google.
    May 1 0