Moving to Microsoft, paranoid about ZR

Amazon AMZN$ucks
Oct 1 29 Comments

I quit Amazon on a dev plan (prePIP) and now have an offer with Microsoft Azure (sde). How often does one get ZR/PIP at Microsoft compared to at Amazon?

UPDATE: To give more context:-

I joined AWS as a new grad. I had previously worked on research and theoretical stuff before. During my internship at a different startup I was given the best project award for my hardwork and efforts.

I don't believe I'm a slacker, I worked more hours than others and constantly kept watch of my productivity. My manager who put me on dev list said I'm hardworking but need coaching to meet deadlines and so came doom.

I did miss deadlines, though it was not due to slacking, but because I was new to the domain and was not good with estimating time a project could take. I underestimated effort because of my new grad optimism. I also took more tasks than I could do in hindsight. Though I still don't know how to estimate effort/time and this scares me. Any advice on this would be great!

I have had managers change every few months and my projects were shelved. The team was full of blamers and due to my lack of inter personal skills I ended up on the wrong end. The extent was almost close to bullying (as my psychiatrist explained to me).

Now I feel scared and paranoid about this repeating. I see comments asking me to get serious and fix what I did wrong, but it's not completely clear to me as to what went wrong.

Lastly, how do I succeed as a software developer?

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  • Cerner / Eng
    StyaPichai

    Cerner Eng

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    This is Satya Pichai. The most powerful man on blind. DM me for acquisitions.
    StyaPichaimore
    You are quitting dev plan. You don't have any better choice. Just go for it and don't think about all these. Btw, life will be a lot easier than at Amazon.
    Oct 2 5
    • Microsoft mn$&xdt:4
      Life won't be any easier in Azure.
      Oct 2
    • OP will be starting over from scratch with no manager bias - unless he blurts out about the dev plan at work.
      Oct 2
    • Apple bogle
      why whats wrong with azure? is it as bad as amazon?
      Oct 2
    • Nope not at all
      Oct 2
    • Cerner / Eng
      StyaPichai

      Cerner Eng

      BIO
      This is Satya Pichai. The most powerful man on blind. DM me for acquisitions.
      StyaPichaimore
      Azure is better than aws in terms of wlb and culture.
      Oct 3
  • Nordstrom qwerrty
    I have an offer from Amazon and these pip stories are making me feel like I shouldn't accept. Pip for New Grad after less than 6 months is just wrong. Instead of guiding and coaching him a bit, bullying and putting him on a dev plan seems unjust.
    Oct 8 6
    • Nordstrom qwerrty
      Someone should write an "Amazon Survivor Guide" - the Jungle and it's unspoken rules (how not to get eaten alive)
      Oct 8
    • Amazon Ass'azon
      There's a lot you'll learn at Amazon! But there's high chances of shit going bad due to reasons beyond your control. @qwerrty why not interview at Microsoft. You'd be able to crack it as it's similar to Amazon.
      Oct 8
    • Nordstrom qwerrty
      Would love to, but the recruiters keep ghosting me. Happened twice. And the rest of my applications don't get a response.
      Oct 8
    • Amazon Ass'azon
      Do you have referrals? What works best is having a person you know in Microsoft email the hiring managers they know directly. I've also found reaching out to hiring managers on LinkedIn help. Microsoft recruiters are the worst, I've been ghosted a lot but I persisted.
      Oct 8
    • Nordstrom qwerrty
      I don't have referrals unfortunately but I'll definitely try reaching out to hiring managers on LinkedIn. Are you at Microsoft now?
      Oct 9
  • New / Product
    dangnabbit

    New Product

    PRE
    Microsoft
    dangnabbitmore
    My dude, get your mind right.
    Oct 2 4
    • Amazon git clone
      Yes OP, get your stuff together!
      Oct 2
    • Amazon AMZN$ucks
      OP
      I've updated the post to give more context and seek specific advice
      Oct 2
    • Amazon git clone
      Thanks for the context. What I meant to say is that just because you were on a Dev plan under one manager in some org of a company does not mean that you will see the same thing at another place. You said it yourself in the update that you didn’t slack. Learn from you mistakes and start with optimism at your new place.
      Oct 2
    • Amazon AMZN$ucks
      OP
      Thanks for the advice @git clone!
      Oct 2
  • Uber / Eng travis_k
    Maybe you’re not cut out for this line of work. Not everybody can be a great engineer. That’s okay! There’s plenty of other jobs out there that might better suit your ability/talent.
    Oct 2 1
    • Reddit luv2boof
      What a foolish and presumptuous reply.

      Don't let this dude get to you, OP. Amazon is known to be super uneven as far as quality of life between the various teams and divisions. While you *do* need to do better, they probably didn't set you up for success, either.
      Oct 8
  • Microsoft / Eng jbkvvbj
    If you continue with your performance trend, you'll get it within the first year. You know what you aren't doing, right? Work on fixing it.
    Oct 2 4
    • Amazon AMZN$ucks
      OP
      No frankly I don't. I may not have given my best (it's hard to know what is the ultimate extent) but I did try hard.

      I've added some more context around my issue.
      Oct 2
    • Apple bogle
      how long were you at amazon until you got put on dev plan?
      Oct 2
    • Amazon AMZN$ucks
      OP
      Barely 6 months
      Oct 3
    • Apple bogle
      did microsoft ask why you were leaving amazon as a new grad after only ~6 months? what did you say in response as an explanation?
      Oct 3
  • Amazon kha32283
    Good luck man. You will be fine. Bad teammates and managers can really ruin your life. You will be fine. Just keep changing teams until you find a good manager. Don't blame yourself too much before that.
    Oct 11 0
  • New / Eng
    xoogler420

    New Eng

    PRE
    Google
    xoogler420more
    Switch!

    who cares about 6 months, you are new grad and you can always justify it with "I didn't know what i was looking for at that time" etc.

    People switching their first after 6 months is not something people care about it.
    Oct 6 0
  • Google / Eng rickman
    Regular layoffs are very fun.
    Oct 2 0
  • Amazon / Eng IpfsUlg
    😰
    Oct 2 0

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