My fall from grace: how I ended up at Amazon

Amazon WACC
Aug 15, 2018 129 Comments

I told this story to a few MBA interns and will repeat it here.

In high school, I was an academic superstar and was fortunately accepted by my dream college. I did well there, worked in finance afterwards, and then returned to my alma mater to get my MBA. I had hoped to transition into private equity or hedge funds after my MBA. I interned at a big hedge fund during the summer after my first year, but unfortunately, the fund chose not to extend any full-time offers. So my second year began, and I hit the pavement hard, networking and hustling. I interviewed at a lot of the prestigious firms: KKR, Bain Capital, Blackstone, Apollo, Citadel, Coatue, Lone Pine, Viking. But none of them panned out despite my best efforts. With graduation a few months away, I still did not have any offers. I desperately tried to get interviews with MBB consulting and top investment banks, but they already hired their MBA class.

In this moment of desperation, trying to figure out what to do, I saw a job posting from Amazon on my school's job board. The role sounded sort of interesting, but no one in my class wanted to work at Amazon. My ego bristled at the thought of joining Amazon, but due to the desperation, I applied. After several interviews I got an offer. My manager was confused as to why I wanted to come here. He asked me multiple times whether I was "absolutely sure about moving to Seattle as a single man with an elite pedigree." I of course lied my ass off because I needed a job badly.

Working at Amazon and living in Seattle has been one of the most depressing and humiliating experiences of my life. But as I told the MBA interns, life is about overcoming adversity, making lemonade out of lemons. Like the tribes of Israel wandering in the desert before entering the promised land, I know that I will soon leave Amazon and Seattle for greener pastures.

To all those also suffering, stay strong.

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  • Google bugaboo
    Wait. Is any of this sarc? Does it really suck that badly?
    Aug 15, 2018 3
    • Amazon WACC
      OP
      I'm 100% serious. Amazon and Seattle have been worse than my worst nightmares. Keep in mind though that I'm a single straight man.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Google GoldenGod
      Do you have any self awareness to realize how entitled you sound at this moment? This is not struggling. This is your ego getting shattered.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      The elitist attitude feels made up. This is probably a new username by one of our “favorite” trolls in Blind.
      Aug 15, 2018
  • Google GoldenGod
    I don’t know man. Sounds like you peaked in HS. This is your life now.
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon Sdmmgrs
    I don’t have a MBA, did my engineering bachelors from a normal state university, have no educational loans, have a decent 7 digit savings in last few years, work for 6 hrs / day and make 475k+ a year, managed high ego MBAs who were Piped, so please take your MBA bs and gtfo!
    Aug 15, 2018 35
    • Amazon Sdmmgrs
      Keep trying :-)
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Cerner eddy
      Hahaha 😂
      Aug 15, 2018
    • LinkedIn Sea420
      Hi can I join the squad
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon Republik
      Thanks! Of course I’ll keep on dreaming and being grateful for all the wonderful races, colors and international coworkers that I have the privilege to work with.

      That’s why I love my Republic, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I’ll keep on dreaming until All Black lives matter, until all Asians, Africans, Mexicans/Hispanics are respected. Until all my blue collar fellow Americans are treated with dignity.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Yololo

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Yololomore
      Bunch of trolls
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon Sdmmgrs
      Keep trying :-)
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Yololo

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Yololomore
      @Sdmmgrs, you are not even American but didn’t reveal it here. How can I believe any of what you said?
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Apple GTFOorTC
      WF dude has been trolling people all day for whatever reason. Dude needs help lmao.


      Edit: I'm regretting blocking him/her as I can't see his/her witty attempt at comebacks...
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Wells Fargo qCIT12
      @Apple - You need a better job!
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon Republik
      I know. Wells Fargo (qcit12) and OP would make a nice couple.

      They are racist closeted-homosexuals that in real life need to hide their true identities so they can continue attacking women and vulnerable minorities to divert attention.

      Just look at OP’s post on Trump from 2 days ago. Now he comes back, playing victim, in a different post.
      Aug 16, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product @zzz
    Unlike posters here I totally understand. Went to a top MBA school, and with no other options joined Microsoft. Seattle I actually like a lot, but coming into tech after MBA sort of stalled my career.
    Aug 15, 2018 12
    • Microsoft / Product @zzz
      I don't have delusions of grandeur either, but I do understand OP. I have accepted and am quite happy with life in general. From a career point of view though, it could have been a lot better.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon WACC
      OP
      @zzz what firms were you targeting in b-school?

      I know very few MBAs at Amazon who were excited about coming here. The only ones are those who went to lower ranked schools.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product @zzz
      I really wanted to get into management consulting - McKinsey, Bain, bcg types.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon WACC
      OP
      Sorry you couldn't get it. MBB consulting is SICK: high comp, prestigious, respected, great perks, amazing exit opportunities, interesting work.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • New Senec@
      But don’t those folks work crazy crazy hours? Personally, I think you’re idealizing those firms and working there. Not saying you wouldn’t be happier there, but there’s a lot of crap that comes with working at those places that it seems you’re not taking into account. You know, the grass isn’t always greener, and sometimes a little gratitude and perspective helps. Just some friendly advice.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon WACC
      OP
      Fair enough. I have a lot of friends who work there, and although the hours and traveling are grueling, they loved the work and the exit opportunities. Working there for 2-3 years is like 5-7 years at other firms: your career gets a massive boost.

      For MBAs, Amazon does not give you great exit opportunities. And you don't leave with the wide breadth of transferable business skills.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon Sdmmgrs
      I don’t have a MBA, did my engineering bachelors from a normal state university, have no educational loans, have a decent 7 digit savings in last few years, work for 6 hrs / day and make 475k+ a year, managed high ego MBAs who were Piped, so please take your MBA bs and gtfo!
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Northrop Grumman / Eng 6'5Merican
      Sweet, so now we have two data points that Wharton kids are a bunch of fuckboys. Any others want to chime in and reduce the variance some more.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product @zzz
      So don't know if I would have been happier, but that's what I really wanted to do after the MBA. Much like a lot of people here want to work for fang. As I mentioned I am actually quite happy. But not a lot of other options being a pm. As a consultant you could have a lot of opportunities after a couple of years should it not work for you.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • New Senec@
      To be fair, MBA’s wanting to work at PE/HF are like CS grads wanting to work at FANG. If you can choose, why not go somewhere where you’re at the top of the food chain? Very understandable.
      Aug 15, 2018
  • New dcsN56
    Wow fuck you
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon 2423
    Explains why all the MBAs here have been so shit. Gotta work with losers like you.
    Aug 15, 2018 5
    • Amazon WACC
      OP
      The MBAs at Amazon are similar to me: we were unable to get the jobs we really wanted and joined Amazon as a last resort. Thus, many of us are bitter about being here.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Microsoft Fpqq57
      @2423 they aren't all shit
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      CptHaddock

      Apple Eng

      BIO
      2 b or ! 2b
      CptHaddockmore
      Wacc - This doesn’t compute - I thought amazon was pinnacle for mbas. Knew a guy from Fuqua who was desperate to get into Amazon but couldn’t.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon WACC
      OP
      I can't speak for your friend or Fuqua. At my program, Amazon was seen as an absolute last resort when all else failed.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Google / Product
      homeyclown

      Google Product

      BIO
      Honey don’t play dat
      homeyclownmore
      @2423 some of us can hack (x86 asm and lisp for me yo) but we try to hide it
      Aug 15, 2018
  • Apple Ghs543a
    😮. This is worse than the time I ran out of pellegrino. #thestruggleisreal
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Microsoft o730
    Alexa play despacito
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Agilent Technologies / R&D m/z
    If you work in finance, what's wrong with working at Amazon? It's a large and successful technology company and you play a part in the business.

    As a personal anecdote, just because you went to some fancy school or were an academic superstar doesn't mean you will do well in the real world. I mean look at those "genius"/"prodigy" children who went to college early. Where df are they now? Meanwhile I went to a 3rd tier school for my bachelor's and PhD and landed a job in a well known research organization.

    You need to reframe. The world doesn't owe you shit, but is also not out to get you.
    Aug 15, 2018 4
    • Wells Fargo qCIT12
      You are (low IQ, low Comp) beta. OP, don’t answer this idiot.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Agilent Technologies / R&D m/z
      That is a really weird beta comment.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Wells Fargo qCIT12
      You are an idiot. Also you are (low IQ,low comp).
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon WernerHerz
      You are "low English."
      Aug 15, 2018
  • Amazon Sdmmgrs
    Haha looks like ego busting moment when this person shifted to Amazon and gets managed by non MBAs who have achieved way more and added way more value than these so called Ivy League MBAs!
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng ❤️meformy
    MBA kid is just mad he’s not an SDE
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Oracle cs673f
    Where did you grow up and go to school? Just tryna see what you're comparing.
    Aug 15, 2018 5
    • Amazon WACC
      OP
      Without getting too specific, I grew up in a working class area and went to one of Harvard/Stanford/MIT.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Gy33
      There’s plenty of people from those schools working at Amazon so, we’ll, get off your high horse.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Oracle cs673f
      Guess there's too many of us doing work that's way less than what we trained for. It takes half a career lifetime to come to terms with it! The earlier you accept that's your role in the world, the quicker your mind will settle down.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      No, what you need to come to terms with is that you aren't that good. Maybe the reason you aren't what you'd consider successful is because you aren't elite, you're average and lucked into an elite school.
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Amazon 218
      The mba schools hype everything up and it’s another sham from Our educational system. Just making money. The best inventors and creative people didn’t even go to college. Unfortunately this is all a money making scheme . They make it sound like life is like a movie and success is all glorified. The ground reality is that life is hard and no one is going to give a crap about your hard work Ir if you are dying the end of the day by working so hard. You have to work and look after your interests and pay your bills. If you want glorification then write a book and sell it. But slamming the company who hired you and slamming an entire city is really terrible I think.
      Aug 16, 2018
  • LinkedIn Sea420
    Your post triggered so many Amazon employees in so many ways I love it ❤️
    Aug 15, 2018 2
    • Oracle cs673f
      👅💣
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      This is a troll post pretty clearly. You obviously didn't go to one of Stanford/Harvard/MIT of you didn't understand that.
      Aug 16, 2018
  • T-Mobile EKVe82
    You couldn't get a job anywhere you wanted, and didn't impress your hedge fund enough to keep you.

    No one in your chosen field thought you were worth hiring despite your pedigree and credentials.

    You are in the role someone thought you were qualified for.

    You'd make more friends in Seattle if you weren't such a narcissistic asshole.
    Aug 15, 2018 2
    • Wells Fargo qCIT12
      Save this post. 20 years later, read it again. You might realize why you ended a loser in life!
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      Why is the WF branch manager on here shit talking people?
      Aug 16, 2018
  • Amazon Sdmmgrs
    Request you not to work with tech engineering teams and screw their happiness - have worked with enough crappy PMs with MBA who think highly about themselves and provide crappy product requirements!
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    PitChai

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
    PitChaimore
    What will you do when you get PIPed out later this year?
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon dQkI67
    If you were "better" than amazon then why was it the only place to extend you an offer?

    What specifically do you not like about amazon compared to your dream job?
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Quora thebumble
    I sort of understand what you are going through because a very dear friend of mine went through the same. However, the key thing that got him out of this was to work hard and prove himself. That's the only positive way to deal with this artificial crisis situation that your mind has made up.

    Should be easy right given your background?

    Also, remember that on your next job, more than hearing about how you landed on this job, people would be interested to hear more about what you did. So please channelize your energy in the right directions.

    Such "setbacks" are a blessing to have so early because further down your career you'll fall many times. How you deal with it now sets a template for future.

    So get up and get going. I believe in you!
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Product Peppa4
    I think this is a troll post.

    If not I hope op gets another job soon because we don’t need his arrogance and negativity. If he can’t find another job despite having a top mba and amazon experience perhaps he is a terrible interviewer who just got lucky to get through the Amazon interview. In that case I hope he gets piped out soon because he sounds miserable.

    P.s I have an mba from Harvard. Tc >400k
    Aug 15, 2018 6
    • Wells Fargo qCIT12
      Lol..400 at Amazon??!
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Oracle cs673f
      Fall from grace aren't the words of someone arrogant...
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Yololo

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Yololomore
      This is another troll. He doesn’t sound like he got MBA from Harvard.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Oracle cs673f
      Yeah I troll. Not an MBA. Youngling, Yololo?
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Yololo

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Yololomore
      I was talking about Peppa4.
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      $400k as an L7 PM including stock appreciation isn't hard given growth the last few years.
      Aug 16, 2018
  • Amazon Want3d
    This is the problem with getting into an elite program. You live like a king and you think the world owes you. That’s a wake up call, deal with it.
    Aug 16, 2018 0
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    • Wells Fargo qCIT12
      You won’t realize it!
      Aug 15, 2018
  • Facebook rSsV26
    Why do you reiterate single straight man? Been fucked in the 🍑 way too many times?
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    What’s wrong with Seattle? 😕
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon Republik
    @WACC aren’t you the Asian “straight” Trump supporter bashing on other Asians?

    What happened to your —I only date and bang white chicks— standards?

    Time to be a man and start respecting women instead of having your “grab them by the pu😼😾y” mindset

    Perhaps, this is the reason why you are so unhappy in life. Time to reconsider the way you treat people.
    Aug 15, 2018 1
    • Wells Fargo qCIT12
      (Avg IQ, Avg Comp)?
      Aug 15, 2018
  • Microsoft DOyu71
    Glory days... how they pass you by...
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Google sfmk
    Is Amazon different from Google? My old team has a bunch of folks from McKinsey, IB, etc. + Top biz schools. They all seem happy that they ended up there. In fact many of my consulting friends ask me for Google referral. Is the world upside down?
    Aug 15, 2018 5
    • Wells Fargo qCIT12
      You idiot - the rejects or in your parlance - “pipped”, leave finance and join tech. The tier 1 of the rejects join F/G. The tier 2 joins the rest of the FA2GS
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon Sdmmgrs
      Can’t imagine what sort of low tier would join Wells Fargo!
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      Former Walmart store managers join Wells Fargo.
      Aug 16, 2018
    • Amazon WACC
      OP
      Very different. They're not even in the same league.
      Aug 16, 2018
    • New inmann
      Exactly. After a few years consulting becomes sales. I have worked with many ex-bain and bcg (interestingly not many ex-mck) in the tech firms I have worked in. So it all evens out over long term as long as you are somewhat clear about your likes/dislikes/goals. And accept a bit of reality such as luck, family situations etc that also have an impact on career at times
      Aug 30, 2018
  • Uber / Eng
    meowimacat

    Uber Eng

    BIO
    Im a cat 🐈! Meowww...
    meowimacatmore
    Don't worry man you can leave Seattle some day. Fuck that place lol
    Aug 15, 2018 2
    • Amazon WACC
      OP
      Amen.
      Aug 15, 2018
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      Yeah go work for Amazon in the Bay.
      Aug 16, 2018
  • Amazon WernerHerz
    You sound ridiculous.
    Aug 15, 2018 1
    • Wells Fargo qCIT12
      Reality is painful
      Aug 15, 2018
  • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
    Your post here resonates with me, as I experienced something similar after college. While my pedigree is less elite, I did not end up where I expected and am still not quite there yet.

    After exiting the classroom, where interpersonal skills don't matter and success only requires a high IQ and hard work, success is largely a matter of likability. Believing oneself to be better than others leads them to deny one a job offer, or fire one for no reason just to validate their ego, and prove that one is not better than them.
    Oct 19, 2018 0
  • Union Bank Dhdjndkf
    Amazon is not bad. Take a chill pill .. banking is not that great but now would be a good time for smart people to come considering the crypto blockchain wave that will come in. (Former strat consultant, it sucks to create PowerPoints as awesome as wining and dining is) Also it I banking sucks .. again working on decks that go no where. Hedge funds interesting but market is shrinking .. impossible to make returns these days
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Netflix
    Ribosome

    Netflix

    PRE
    Uber
    Ribosomemore
    Well there’s no guarantee that prestige degree will guarantee success. If none of the hedge fund you interviewed extended an offer, you’ve got to think why and how to improve. This world is changing very fast only the most fit and capable to adapt will survive.
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon HFRr64
    Fall from grace? You didn’t fall from anything, you never had a job in the real world. Get fucked loser.
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Facebook public
    That's the spirit, keep working hard, improve yourself, and you can break free. It's obviously not the worst thing that could happen but sometimes the journey is half the fun.
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon outoforder
    Any idea why you didn’t get any offer from your interviews? Is it not possible to demonstrate your hard skills earned at that top school? Or all you have are soft skills?
    Feb 6 1
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      Perhaps the opposite: a lack of soft skills
      Feb 6
  • New inmann
    You always had an option of not taking Amazon and then keep trying for IB or HF or PE or Whatever financial services vertical you wanted to get into. If you are such a crack, sorry to say this, you should have taken the risk and waited.
    Aug 30, 2018 0
  • Wells Fargo qCIT12
    I hear you! Those calling you entitled etc really have no clue what business roles in banking mean.

    It is too late for you to break into finance. But keep trying and you will find a niche in SV somewhere!
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Microsoft DyvH60
    Can you be more specific? What exactly you didn't like at Amazon?
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon QSiP13
    What's next for you? It's hard to get back into consulting or finance after missing out on MBA recruiting (not saying it can't be done, but definitely takes effort)
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Apple Ivy league
    Are you a PM at Amazon ?
    Aug 15, 2018 3
    • Amazon E8rb4dhu
      Most fresh MBA hires get hired as Senior PMs, lvl 6.
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Apple Ivy league
      Typical TC ?
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Amazon E8rb4dhu
      Starting offer was about $125k TC about 3 years ago. Due to stock appreciation, closer to 200k now.
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Apple / Eng appsrus
    Aug 19, 2018 0
  • Esurance / Mktg Ypgr32
    Haha but you are L6, yes? no?
    Aug 15, 2018 0
  • Microsoft newfy
    Dude the my mba friends at Amazon did better than the consultants or bankers - they joined when the stock was $400 something so they made out like bandits.

    Culture was bad then though. But some have moved on to better and greater things in tech.
    Aug 15, 2018 0

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