Need help: Amazon vs LinkedIn

Qualcomm DwyerAndy
Apr 5, 2018 76 Comments

Offer 1: SDE 2 at Amazon Alexa
Offer 2: Software engineer (not SR) at LinkedIn

LinkedIn's offer is 10% more than Amazon. Both are in Bay area.

I have 5 years of experience + masters which is not relevant to software. I want to get SW development experience to improve my profile.

My opinion is that LinkedIn has a better reputation and a friendlier place for a newbie. I am just not able to judge how valuable Alexa brand is.

Please share your thoughts.

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  • Amazon 🐒 Monkey
    LinkedIn with your eyes closed. Amazon is a rough place to work, try to avoid. You can be fired anytime. Only reason to work in Amazon is if you don’t have any other offers.
    Apr 5, 2018 8
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      Lol
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Microsoft CloudCtrl
      Amazon Eng LOLz but doesn’t disagree.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      I “Lol”’d because I do disagree. I had offers at G and M as a new grad. I accepted amazon because I was offered a spot in AWS, which I think is one of Amazon’s core strengths. Amazon is a rough place to work, if you’re border line HV, or LE. There’s a ton of people that fit in that group, and as such, life for them at Amazon is pretty bad. That’s fine, that’s how it needs to be. The side effect of that is that there’s a ton of dislike from Amazon people.

      If only you could see the amazon private forum on here. PIPs and dev plans every other post.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • OpenDoor mynna
      If amazon is issuing that many PIPs, then they aren’t hiring the right people or they’re a shit place to work with bad practices.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Amazon / Other
      ~(

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Microsoft
      ~(more
      +1 on Messed up Hiring, shit place.

      If you’re not doing 12+ hour/day consistently you tend to go on pip sooner or later.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Amazon Mdkzoe73&!
      Lol especially about only reason to work in Amazon is if you don’t have other offers
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Amazon 🐒 Monkey
      Manager has all the control in Amazon. If you don’t suck up enough and manager doesn’t like you, you will be fired regardless of your performance. It’s in an empire building and heavy politics stage esp since bezos doesn’t care about it anymore. If you are politically sound and good at ass licking, it’s a perfect place for you. Don’t believe on good amazon posts, HRs are driving those to keep sanity in blind.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      Amazon has this thing going where they hire fast, fire fast. That’s how they choose to do it, and it seems to work. To each their own.
      Apr 5, 2018
  • Twitter / Eng CGXr42
    Amazon for sure. Don't know why even thinking about this
    Apr 5, 2018 4
    • LinkedIn eFvz21
      Lul
      Apr 5, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      whatsmynam

      LinkedIn Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      whatsmynammore
      You never worked there, that's a fact.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      Cjir28

      LinkedIn Eng

      PRE
      Magic Leap
      Cjir28more
      Amazon has the worst company culture and LinkedIn has one of the best. I don't know why you're even considering Amazon
      Apr 5, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      whatsmynam

      LinkedIn Eng

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      Amazon
      whatsmynammore
      I think that Amazon could compete with Uber on culture...
      Apr 5, 2018
  • Qualcomm / Eng dynasty001
    LinkedIn hands down.! People have been leaving my team and joining Google, LinkedIn ..left and right . Amazon has one of the worst WLB (lots of friends working there)
    LInkedIn has the best WLB ( ex colleagues from my team) , wonderful work culture , great pay and best of all - free food!
    Apr 5, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn / Other ymcm
      To those who know. Perks, culture, WLB, insanely good food...
      Apr 5, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Eng
    whatsmynam

    LinkedIn Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    whatsmynammore
    LinkedIn. Period. Note: I've been at Amazon as well. Just compare their leadership principles: Amazon's "Disagree and Commit" vs LinkedIn's "Relationships Matter".
    Apr 5, 2018 4
    • Qualcomm DwyerAndy
      OP
      I have personally met people who.made this transition as well. Almost exactly the same input. Thanks!
      Apr 5, 2018
    • AppDynamics / Eng
      Sfosw

      AppDynamics Eng

      PRE
      Juniper Networks
      Sfoswmore
      Does "disagree and commit" means that an IC can disagree with manager and not fear any backlash ?
      Apr 5, 2018
    • LinkedIn Ghfggf
      Only in theory.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • LinkedIn foobar123$
      Disagree and commit.... basically means shutup and do what I'm telling u...stop using your brain
      Apr 5, 2018
  • LinkedIn mongodb
    LinkedIn in most cases. Amazon sde2 roughly maps to senior in LinkedIn (there is a wide spread across teams though. There are several LI senior engineers that are sde3 level). But you should be able to get promo soon. And that would mean even more money. So LinkedIn is better long term.
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn Ghfggf
    LinkedIn has 20k more benefits than Amazon (401k match, perk up, insurance, espp, free food)
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn eFvz21
    LinkedIn's pay and benefits are top tier and comparable to G/F

    But at the end of the day it's about the team and project you wanna work on
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn foobar123$
    I was a project lead at Amazon...left and joined LinkedIn as soon as we shipped...amazon is awful..no employer perks...poor benefits...they cheat on the 401k and annual bonus ...and lots of internal politics...subpar people ... From lame schools.
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • Amazon jcOA20
    Try Amazon as a newbie just to get the worst sense of a workplace, and take that valuable lesson for future career development.
    Apr 7, 2018 0
  • New / Other
    skento

    New Other

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    Amazon
    BIO
    Cloud computing professional with 20 years experience.
    skentomore
    Don’t know about LinkedIn as I have never worked there. I have worked at Amazon (web services), Amazon has a very terrible culture of not giving a damn about employees. Your manager has so much power to decide your future and experience in the company; you’re f...ed if your manager does not like you - no matter how smart you’re.
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Other
    pm4ever

    Amazon Other

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    Zynga
    pm4evermore
    @DwyerAndy I am curious as to what your perception of work is - - is it a job, a career, or a calling?
    That is, what is your reason for working?
    1. Is it a means to an end? Do you work so that you have money to spend on the things that make you happy? If so, then a primary criteria you might consider is where can you put the least amount of effort while getting the most salary.
    2. Are you working for the sake of working? That is, is it a phase in your life that you undertake just as you did schooling? By the end of your work life, is your goal to have the best career you could have made for yourself (climbing the corporate ladder, etc.)? In which case, you might want to consider the environment that will allow you to thrive and help you cultivate your career.
    3. Are you working towards a greater purpose? Are you passionate about contributing to a vision? If so, what type of vision resonates with you the most? Do you fin fulfillment in helping realize an AI-assisted future? Are you more interested in helping create and nourish connections between professionals, etc.? Something else? If this is your frame of thinking, then I will tell you (as cliché as it sounds) to follow your heart.
    Having a clearer sense on what truly matters to you will help you ask the right questions and put weight on the relevant factors to make a wise decision.
    So now I ask... What do you hope to get out of work?
    Hope that helps! :)
    Apr 5, 2018 6
    • Qualcomm / Eng dynasty001
      Dayum .!!!
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Qualcomm DwyerAndy
      OP
      Wow, thank you so much for your time. My objective is career growth. I wanted to see what of these companies will be a better way to accelerate my career, other things staying constant.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Amazon f3
      Then Amazon is for u
      Apr 6, 2018
    • Google tcCd20
      What does career growth mean to you? Learning? Bigger title? More money? People's perception of you?
      Apr 7, 2018
    • Qualcomm DwyerAndy
      OP
      Stable career with enough money to not to worry about it ( Sorry if this sounds philosophical)
      Apr 7, 2018
    • Google tcCd20
      I would pick LinkedIn in that case. 3 years ago the average attrition was about 12 months, anecdotal data based on info from friends who used to work at Amazon. I heard people are staying much longer now due to the stock jump and the fact that 80% of the grant vests in years 3 and 4.
      I'm certain Amazon has a lot of interesting work. Also recently more and more friends are enjoying it there.
      If you want to stay in your next gig for 5 years without constantly worrying about needing to find another job, LinkedIn is much more stable.
      Good luck
      Apr 8, 2018
  • Google tcCd20
    LinkedIn in. Better culture. Lower level means lower expectations and faster promotion. The company is just more fun than Amazon.
    Also given the crazy stock market now, MSFT stock is a lot safer.
    Apr 5, 2018 1
    • Qualcomm DwyerAndy
      OP
      Exactly my thoughts when I posted this!
      Apr 5, 2018
  • Amazon
    Tryagaub

    Amazon

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    Amazon, Microsoft
    Tryagaubmore
    Amazon has lots of politics and shitty managers.
    Apr 7, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn / Eng
    Take5

    LinkedIn Eng

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    Amazon, IBM
    Take5more
    Having worked at both, I will say Amazon. Their culture is ruthless but it will prep you for any thing else out there. LinkedIn doesn’t have any growth, is less impressive than Alexa for future employment and massive re-orgs make me call the “culture” fake bs. I do like the eng teams, some very smart folks.
    Apr 7, 2018 5
    • LinkedIn foobar123$
      Prep you for anything....well in that case you could join the Marines....
      Amazon is bullshit ... You can drink the fake leadership principle shitdrink....but in reality its a cheap company which cheats it's employees... actively exploits them...all under the hood of .... disagree and commit....frugality and other bullshit...also almost no annual bonus.....
      Apr 7, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      Take5

      LinkedIn Eng

      PRE
      Amazon, IBM
      Take5more
      Like you are drinking the LinkedIn lp of compassionate management. You are in the right company, don’t apply elsewhere.
      Apr 7, 2018
    • Amazon zzzxxxx
      I like the lp, it’s well designed for tech ppl. Problem is they pay like shit
      Apr 7, 2018
    • Qualcomm DwyerAndy
      OP
      "LinkedIn doesn’t have any growth, is less impressive than Alexa for future employment"

      This is precisely the concern. Why do you think so? Given the smart folks around, will there not be more chances to learn and grow?
      Apr 7, 2018
    • LinkedIn foobar123$
      Aws has not a lot of smart ppl left...mostly dud indians from no name schools...who only know to copy paste ... Are great at that. ...but creativity or desire to study things in depth.
      Apr 7, 2018
  • LinkedIn FruSw3183
    LinkedIn has the best culture. Amazon has the worst. Amazon has explosive growth. LinkedIn may not.
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • Amazon eagle101
    Amazon for sure. Instead of thinking about brand value, you should think about where you will learn more and have opportunities to work on different things. Amazon is solving all kinds of challenges and it's easy to switch teams.
    If you are really worried about brand, Amazon will give you much bigger boost then LinkedIn. There is no L in FAANG.
    Apr 5, 2018 5
    • Qualcomm / Eng dynasty001
      FANG is some bullshit acronym that Cramer came up with regardinh high growth stocks. That doesnt necessarily translate to a good work environment etc. OP should reach out to the people in the current teams and see if that project is satisfactory or not.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Qualcomm DwyerAndy
      OP
      I don't know yet about the exact team in LI. Like I said above, the position is in Applications team.

      At Amazon, this is a brand new team. Not a lot of people to ask around.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      whatsmynam

      LinkedIn Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      whatsmynammore
      New team = caos. Plus, they might change their minds by the time you join or you might get "loaned" around.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      whatsmynam

      LinkedIn Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      whatsmynammore
      New team = noone to learn from
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Amazon I-666
      Applications teams are boring.... you’ll not be very far from web devs. Will do silly work :( Don’t
      get me wrong. Web Dev is very complex, and I’ve seen very smart web dev engineers. Often time web dev is very much technical and got depth.

      But the SW/App part is often BS type and not that much technically challenging. In app development as SWE, your toughest coding work will be writing unit test probably because even test code is more technical than main product code :D

      LI should have some cool projects. They built Kafka. If you can work on similar projects then it’ll be the best of the both worlds.
      Apr 5, 2018
  • Twitter / Eng CGXr42
    LinkedIn Senior is SDE2 elsewhere, so you in Amazon you get Higher level, better growth opportunities with strong company growth, better product, the amount opportunities inside Amazon is huge, you can transfer to other teams such as AWS or others, tons of opportunities. LinkedIn? Except some free food perks I don't see any reason. If that's an supper exciting project/team then it is another story.
    Apr 5, 2018 3
    • Qualcomm DwyerAndy
      OP
      The Linkedjn position is in the Applications team. It is not super special.

      Thanks for the wonderful advice, really appreciate it.

      My understanding was that growth opportunities were better in Linkedin. I have a friend who moved to LI from Amazon who thinks LI's engineering practices and talent is better.

      I was also thinking Amazon/Alexa has become too big that the growth phase might end soon.

      Now, after reading your input, I am beginning to wonder again. For someone starting, which brand can add more value to the profile?
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Amazon I-666
      I’ve done extremely cool things @AWS.,. Don’t known if LI can offer that kind of projects.

      Of course definition of growth can be different people to people.
      Apr 5, 2018
    • Amazon / Other ehdubrmsbt
      If you’re looking for what will look better on your resume, it’s easily Amazon.
      Apr 6, 2018
  • Amazon sucks. This is a review from a previous Amazon employee. Amazon has the worst company culture in the world! No joking! The management people are worst
    May 1, 2018 1
    • Amazon ugghhh
      Not worst than uber or snap.
      May 1, 2018
  • Amazon askingq?s
    Linkedin, amazon especially in bay area sucks
    Apr 8, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn FruSw3183
      Agreed for Bay Area
      Apr 8, 2018
  • Amazon nKtU61
    Amazon is great company,in my team I don’t feel lack fo WLB. Off course, sometimes you have to stay longer than usual but I think it’s happening everywhere. Another bigger pros is stock it’s growing very fast and will grow for sure. Alexa itself very impressive project and there very wide range of interesting and cutting edge projects going on. I don’t think there is any other company where you will have such a big opportunities for your career growth and why not financial success.
    Apr 5, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      whatsmynam

      LinkedIn Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      whatsmynammore
      "will grow for sure"... Lol
      Apr 5, 2018
  • Amazon zzzxxxx
    Definitely Amazon. 1) level is higher, 2) Alexa brand is hot these days, 3) overall wlb in Alexa is alright, 4) you could try LinkedIn Sr after 6 months, 6) LinkedIn hasn’t developed new technology for a long time
    Apr 5, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      whatsmynam

      LinkedIn Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      whatsmynammore
      You crazy. I know new grads being promoted to sde2 in less than 1 year.
      Apr 5, 2018
  • BrightFunnel Bsyehdo
    I would do LI unless you absolutely love the people and project at A. LI is really good to their employees from an opportunity standpoint. Good place to work. A has some amazing projects but a challenging reputation (deservedly) in terms of employee friendliness.
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • Amazon eagle101
    A common theme across the thread is - LinkedIn employees are defending LinkedIn (or rather attacking Amazon) on culture/wlb grounds and Amazon employees are taking about interesting work and growth at Amazon. They both may be right and you can decide what is important for you.
    Apr 7, 2018 0
  • Amazon Chzqilaga
    Both are good. Pick one you think better align with your interests.
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • Qualcomm / Eng dynasty001
    Ya . Projecy/ team Matters the most.
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • Qualcomm DwyerAndy
    OP
    Sure, all LC medium. I started with CTCI and then LC. I also studied on my own for the design questions from Blogs, meetups etc,
    Apr 5, 2018 1
    • Tesla LLcs58
      Did you interview at other places?
      Apr 7, 2018
  • Tesla LLcs58
    I have a LinkedIn interview how did you prepare? How is the interview compared to leetcode difficulty? I have same 5 years experience.
    Apr 5, 2018 1
    • Qualcomm / Eng dynasty001
      Want to know the same here too. OP please respond
      Apr 5, 2018
  • Synopsys sXKX78
    Congrats! I I had a colleague from non-CS background (EE) made a switch to software and joined LinkedIn.
    Would love to chat to understand more about the process on what kind of prep and timelines etc.. let me know if you’re willing to share and I’ll PM u
    Apr 5, 2018 1
    • Qualcomm DwyerAndy
      OP
      Posted my prep details below
      Apr 5, 2018
  • Amazon ugghhh
    Is this in Alexa Comms? Negotiate and get amazon to match and come to amazn. Believe me Alexa is better than anything at LinkedIn
    May 1, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn Z2(!)
    Welcome [in]
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Twitter / Eng CGXr42
    If you just care about these rest and vest WLB then ignore what I said
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • AppDynamics / Eng
    Sfosw

    AppDynamics Eng

    PRE
    Juniper Networks
    Sfoswmore
    Congrats on the offers. Both places are good and are definitely a step up from Qualcomm. Are you a hardware engineer or are you an embedded software engineer ?

    Can you share your comp in Amzn and LinkedIn ?
    Apr 5, 2018 0

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