Negotiating: Potential compensation requires I get a promotion within the next year

Amazon fxfR68
Sep 22, 2018 22 Comments

I'm currently negotiating with a Unicorn startup in San Francisco. The total comp I'm requesting is above the band for the level they have me coming in at. The recruiter made it seem like this compensation was possible, but said because I'm coming in above the band I would have to be promoted within the next year or risk being fired.

Should I take the higher TC with more pressure for promotion, or should I take a little less money for a little less stress? Has anyone had a recruiter say them to this before?

Don't want to say the company because it will expose who I am, but they still have a lot of growth left.

2 YOE
Current TC: 230k
Asking for 210k

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TOP 22 Comments
  • I am an EM. No company will fire you for making 50k more per year. Replacing you will cost them much more in terms of hiring and on boarding cost . The chances of getting fired is same with both offers. It's a typical recruiter tactics.
    Sep 22, 2018 4
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      ^ this

      /thread
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      Actually on second thought:

      With 2 YOE at Amazon you definitely aren't "entry level." That said, startups often try to lowball people. And if it's a web dev role, there are plenty of solid web developers with 2-3 YOE in SV earning $130k who would be happy to replace you. I was earning less than that in my last job at a startup, and was let go when I asked for a raise despite having JIRA evidence that I'd significantly outperformed the senior engineers who had already left the company on work that we'd estimated together. Web devs working in open source tech at startups are a dime a dozen in SV, and ramp up time is minimal since many startups use the same tech and vendors.
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      If I were you, I'd hold out for something better. Join a more established unicorn that can pay you properly and preferably has higher onboarding cost by using rarer tech and more proprietary implementations.
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      Also keep in mind that the strike price you pay to buy stock options before selling them discounts their value. This contrasts RSU's, which are granted to you for free.

      If you're still at Amazon, IMO staying is a lower risk of being fired if this startup would be paying you far more than your coworkers at the same experience level.
      Sep 22, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Mgmt Blind9990
    Why are you switching job for less TC? keep interviewing until you can get higher TC.
    Sep 22, 2018 1
    • Amazon fxfR68
      OP
      Not everything is about maximizing TC for me. I didn't apply to any of the companies that could beat my current TC on purpose. I'm looking for an environment that's going to force me to grow quickly and where I'll have a lot of responsibility
      Sep 22, 2018
  • Google
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    Unicorns should outbid Amazon with paper money. My Uber offer was much higher than Google.
    Sep 22, 2018 0
  • Neustar / Eng AdaL
    Take the higher TC. If the company is doing well and growing and you prove your worth, it will all work out.
    Sep 22, 2018 0
  • VMware BobbleHat
    Sounds like bs to me
    Sep 22, 2018 2
    • Amazon fxfR68
      OP
      You think I'm full of BS or recruiter? I'm wondering if recruiter is just saying that to make me take less too
      Sep 22, 2018
    • VMware BobbleHat
      Recruiter is trying to make you accept less
      Sep 22, 2018
  • @iVX372 : You were let to go for not aligning with management. You might be right but management is driven by objectives given to them . Most of the companies are top down and you are paid to align with you management in most of the slow growth companies.
    Sep 22, 2018 0
  • Akamai Technologies Ham Bone
    It’s a start-up. If it goes gangbusters, you’ll be doing more and they’ll need you. If it flops, you made a little more money.
    Sep 22, 2018 0
  • Aurora life-rolls
    I say roll the dice. You seem like a guy who knows what he is doing.
    Sep 22, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Iamnewhere
    Take higher TC
    Sep 22, 2018 0
  • I had a hard time believing that someone will get fired for asking for more money
    Sep 22, 2018 2
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      It was sort of an unusual situation. Half of the startup's engineers had already left because our funding was running out, and execs had been saying for a year that we were raising with no official funding announcement. We watched tons of VC's walk in and out of our office without ever funding us. Just before asking for a raise, I'd told them I'd start interviewing within a month without an official funding announcement, which was a mistake. They may have been trying to scare the remaining engineers into working harder and not interviewing. I was also bored as hell and had been wanting to leave for months, and had criticized many bad architecture decisions. (The experience taught me the importance of always making your managers and coworkers look good, and helping rather than openly criticizing.)
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      Anyway I regret not approaching a lawyer about it. I was so stunned that I just signed the severance agreement. With the JIRA evidence, I had legitimate proof that I was not a low performer and it was illegal for them to terminate my employment on those ostensible grounds. In fact, I was not even given a specific reason for being let go.
      Sep 22, 2018
  • ZipRecruiter / Sales
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    Do it. Raise your game and crush your enemies! Victory!!!!! Promotion will be yours! Watch old mike Tyson match clips before work and listen to more heavy metal. You got this.
    Sep 23, 2018 0
  • Quicken Loans / IT McPatts210
    Have confidence in yourself. Perform or bust.
    Sep 22, 2018 0
  • VMware BobbleHat
    Take the higher offer. Is shit goes bad, move on and use the new tc to level up at the next company.
    Sep 22, 2018 0