Negotiation help - passed HC at Google for L4, Amazon SDE1 offer, Microsoft L61 offer stage

New ALwD61
Jun 12 24 Comments

So I am in a bit of a situation and I wanted to reach out to to the community for some input.

All of these are for Seattle ( and nearby neighborhoods ) and I currently have 4.5 YOE.

Current TC is low so no need to post it. I cannot use this as negotiation since it's a small unknown company.

I have passed Google's HC and I am at the Team Matching phase.
With Amazon, I was placed in an SDE1 position after the interviews( wasn't my best day and they seemed to downlevel me quite a bit ) and just received an initial over from them on the phone and the offer was between $170k and $180k TC but they didn't break it down for me.
With Microsoft I was placed in L61 and they are asking me to provide the numbers I want for the offer.

How should I handle all of this to maximize TC ? I am mostly wanting to join Google ( potentially Microsoft if the offer is as good ) and I did really good on the interviews with Google ( my best performance of all 3 ). However, how can I leverage this low position offers from Amazon and MS to increase TC?

Thanks!

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  • Microsoft / Mgmt Dunph
    This might be tricky. Google will probably low ball you and msft will offer you 150k tc. You will need to first somehow convince msft that you are very interested in joining but comp needs to go up, and hope that they want you enough to give you 180-200k. (The hiring manager would need to spend some political capital and talk to the cvp or cost center owner) Then take that offer and make google give you 200+ and take google.
    Jun 12 5
    • Microsoft P Zezima
      This. You can expect Google to beat other offers by a little bit. No other way to increase comp at Google really.
      Jun 12
    • New ALwD61
      OP
      Can I push Amazon and Microsoft to up the offers above 200k ? Basically, I'll tell MS that I want 220K ( they need my expectation for salary before we proceed ) so I could ask for that especially since they know I have an offer from Amazon but they do not know the exact offer. I do not plan on sharing the exact offer to them. So if I ask for 220, they'll lowball and offer something way less than that I assume. But then I can use that as leverage for Amazon so they up their TC. If Amazon bites, then I could leverage that with MS again.
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft / Mgmt Dunph
      Amazon sde1 comp is low and not much room to move. Telling msft what your expectation is doesn't really help, the band stays the same and either way it will take political capital to move up in offer"tier". Google is the only one that is flexible but requires a strong competing offer on paper. Would be better if you had Amazon sde2 to use or any other more flexible company.
      Jun 12
    • New ALwD61
      OP
      Yeah it was unfortunate that Amazon only offered SDE1 but I wonder if I can use Google and Microsoft's offers to leverage an SDE2 bump? I do have the experience and also the competing offers ( hopefully soon ) and so I think that may be something to think about.
      Jun 12
    • Going through similar stuff at Google. My friend who currently works there and my various recruiters have told me that you can give a high expected figure to Google. They work in 3 sections:

      1. Base pay - which is a range for any given position + level. This can be flexible within the give comp range, depends how your interviews went.
      2. Signing bonus - max payout is 15% of whatever your base pay will be. This will not change, unless, you have been poached from a different company. But if you willingly applied for the job, likely it will stay below 15% unless you are a unicorn and they can't live without you.
      3. Stock - this is where they can get creative and flexible so that your payouts can add up in a given year to get as close as possible (or even exceed) your desired income. There are no guidelines, it all comes down to how desirable you are and what your recruiter can do for you.

      My friend ended up getting max on the base pay range, but still much much lower than previous job at MS. But the bonus was actually at 25% (friend was poached from MS by Google). And the stock options were bananas and they payouts throughout the year put the overall income over what they were earning at MS.

      Hope this helps!
      Jun 13
  • Snapchat AlexHeath
    Just take Google. Not much to think about there.
    Jun 12 1
    • New ALwD61
      OP
      This question is mostly regarding how to negotiate a higher TOC with Google by leveraging these other offers. Google is the main of the three that I would like to join for sure.
      Jun 12
  • Oracle / Eng sofakinghi
    Location?
    Jun 12 3
    • New ALwD61
      OP
      Good question. These are for Seattle. I just updated the post as well.
      Jun 12
    • Oracle / Eng sofakinghi
      Just a quick look at levels.fyi that seems like a solid sde I for amazon and that would put you mid band at sde 61 for Microsoft. I would add 20% if forced to give a number to Microsoft but try and get them to give the first number.
      Jun 12
    • New ALwD61
      OP
      I think I will ask for a level 62 and a higher comp given my current situation with Google and also my 4.5 years of experience.
      Jun 12
  • Microsoft YsTJ07
    Msft should offer you around 220k. Use that to leverage Google and get 240k. L4 at Google starts at 220k these days.
    Jun 12 2
    • New ALwD61
      OP
      Isn't 220k a bit too much for Level 61 ?
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft YsTJ07
      Oh I thought you were 62, my bad...
      Jun 12
  • New pge4
    Yoe?
    Jun 12 2
    • New ALwD61
      OP
      4.5 YOE. I updated the post as well
      Jun 12
    • New pge4
      Take google! L4 is a better fit for your yoe
      Jun 12
  • Brillio Stampkit
    First I suggest you clarify with Amazon on the breakdowns. It has more implications than anything else. All these companies have their own salary band. And they know how others pay too. And it is unlikely they would up level the position for this level or role. Have MSFT gives you an offer? If not, just ask to defer that discussion later. If yes, then I could just share the Amazon numbers and see how they react. Simple.
    Jun 12 1
    • New ALwD61
      OP
      Microsoft wants me to submit what I want to them. Then they'll come back with their counter offer. That's kind of what they told me.
      Jun 12
  • Google rafaNadal
    Google will in all likelihood beat the Microsoft offer (which for L61 will be around 170k if you’re extremely lucky).

    Then you don’t really have any leverage to negotiate at Google. But here’s what I know. If you are a Google convert, Microsoft will definitely bump you up to L62. You also have the work experience for it (> 4 yoe). Then they’ll raise your comp and you use that to negotiate at Google.
    Jun 12 2
    • New ALwD61
      OP
      I am planning on telling them that I want an L62 with TC of 230K ( with the clear understanding that I will not get a 230k TC offer from them ) but I need to start somewhere given that I think my initial offer from Google should be close to 230K. But I think my performance on the interviews with MS was one of the strongest according the recruiter so I also think that should play well into the whole negotiation game.
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft P Zezima
      Your initial offer from Google might be around 200k in the absence of a competing offer. (The way google determines an initial offer is 80-90th percentile of comp for ALL software engineers including no-name companies in the Seattle area at your YoE). Goes higher only if you have competing offers or you actually reject their offer and they really want you.
      Jun 13
  • State Farm sweeeeee
    What ended up happening @OP
    Sep 19 0

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