Never choose Amazon even if you have no choice

Microsoft NBPE82
Mar 5 44 Comments

I saw a lot of persons compare Amazon offer with other company. But as SDE working in Amazon AWS for two years, I would like to give a warning to person never work in Amazon, never choose to work in this company even if you have no choice.

Everyone know that Amazon hire bar is really low, lower than Google, Microsoft and Facebook. Someone even do not need interview can get Amazon offer. Actually, the reason is that the team hire you to put you in PIP quota. Trust me this is real, when I am the interviewer of Amazon, my manager told me that just let someone pass interview, and put them in PIP after one year, since no one in our team want to be put in PIP.

Another thing is that never think you could learn some cool tech in Amazon since 95% of SDE in Amazon just do boring operation work everyday. Also Amazon’s deployment pipeline is really poor, all the operation is manual, and it is usual case that someone broke pipeline will block other guys deployment.

Also do not think Amazon brand is good, actually when go to Google, Microsoft and Facebook from Amazon . They will give less salary and slow promotion speed since they known Amazon do not have bonus and hard to promote to high level.

I still remember one Chinese SDE suicide when he just participate Amazon for three months. A lot of my friends also face same issue as him.

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TOP 44 Comments
  • Amazon Nsgdbp
    I call bullshit on your hiring for PIP pipeline comment.
    Mar 5 18
    • Microsoft ISeeker
      Heard the same as OP mentioned from other sources as well that new people > 50% are put on PIP and it's very political. Also old people and friend group target new people so that they can maintain their job Contunuity. Also heard that developers comment on code more on people that they want to target while they will let their friends code review go.
      Apr 10
    • Amazon paopao
      You are the one bullshiting. Op is right.
      Apr 10
    • Amazon Callliope
      As an employee here, I can call bullshit on this post, as well. PIP IS political but we don't hire people just to fire them.That is a very expensive way of doing things. And it is not so easy to get a job at Amazon - as a hiring manager, I can tell you this is patently untrue. Methinks the poster has a beef with the company and that's it.
      Aug 13
    • New / Eng
      xoogler420

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      xoogler420more
      First off don't listen to that HR corporate tool poster... seriously.

      Secondly, as someone who interned at Amazon I can tell you that, while OP is probably disgruntled employee, it's a shit place to work for. In the span of 3 months, I saw 2 people get fired. Amazon Alexa btw.

      Favoritism and politics are rampant, much more than in any other FAANG company and like the OP said, a significant chunk of engineering work is spent on on call and operational issues (without additional comp btw). In fact Amazon is the only company I saw that had MANDATORY 24/7 on-call.

      One of the reasons why managers get away with favoritism is because they have these "leadership principles" that can be easily abused to promote / fire whoever they like. Oh "she did X so she is following principle Y", oh "He did Z so he is not following principle W". And of course these principles are vague as fuck like "be frugal".
      Sep 15
    • Amazon Vrad17
      Actually being an SDM at Amazon, i think I will second "OP" for firing. I have heard SDMs in some departments doing that. But usually it is not required. Amazon is expanding so fast that at times it is required that there are calculated risks in the hiring bar. Those should not be termed as "lowering the bar" but just that Amazon is OK with taking risks (we value calculated risk taking), but other companies are stringent, which means they may reject good candidates at times ("false positive"). Sometimes these risks are realised in real world. Personally, I have faced SDEs who simply should not have been hired in my humble opinion, but then they were as hiring SDM at that point were ready to take risks. Sometimes, the risks pay off well, as I have seen that performing in interview and performing job on the ground are unrelated to large extent. Several sincere candidates perform well on ground, but not so much in interviews and it terms fruitful in some cases. Whether benefit of calculated risk taking outweigh losses, is debatable though.
      Nov 25
  • Amazon M’Learnin
    Gross generalization of a huge company. Obviously everyone will have different experiences so unsure what the point of this post is.
    Mar 5 2
    • Certainly more than one bad manager , blind and other sources ( nytimes ) are full of incidents like these . FB has tough wlb but how many posts do u see from FB like these ?
      Apr 10
    • New / Eng
      xoogler420

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      xoogler420more
      I mean, yes you can go to Amazon and hope you get into one of those mythical "really nice teams". I hear they exist, somewhere out there. I mean, they must, right? Amazon is a huge place.

      Ooooor... you can not play russian roulette with your career.
      Sep 15
  • New djshs
    And this is the nth time an Amazon employee has criticized Amazon. Tell us something new 🤷🏻‍♂️
    Mar 5 0
  • Microsoft
    wyba qnbab

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    wyba qnbabmore
    You’re Chinese and ur manager told you this?
    Mar 5 0
  • Microsoft ISeeker
    Heard the same as OP mentioned from other sources as well that new people > 50% are put on PIP and it's very political. Also old people and friend group target new people so that they can maintain their job Contunuity. Also heard that developers comment on code more on people that they want to target while they will let their friends code review go

    Ober this I have also heard that people back stab their peers with their managers or the one they don't like.
    Apr 10 1
    • Apple forappr
      This is not Amazon problem. This happens in Apple bad teams. Apple is as toxic as Amazon!!!
      Sep 22
  • New / Eng pHXp44
    What level SDE are you, and what makes you think that the issues you’ve experienced are universal rather than related to a bad manager?
    Mar 5 1
    • Certainly more than one bad manager , blind and other sources ( nytimes ) are full of incidents like these . FB has tough wlb but how many posts do u see from FB like these ?
      Apr 10
  • Gap / Eng randUser
    Is it that bad? Holy crap. I have an interview for AWS :( service catalog team
    Mar 5 0
  • I heard the hiring bar is quite high
    Mar 5 4
    • New / Eng pHXp44
      I’m pretty sure it is.
      Mar 5
    • Amazon / Eng Sorj30
      High, low, it’s all relative. It’s lower than the likes of Google and Facebook, but it’s higher than many other companies.
      Mar 5
    • Amazon koy82p
      The bar is pretty low for SDE 1 college hires. Some don’t even need to go through an in person interview.

      SDE 2 bar seems to vary widely.
      Mar 5
    • Amazon / Eng Sorj30
      Yeah, the process for college hires varies a lot year over year. They are always trying different things. This year I believe the standard process is a compressed 3 person loop with a BR led debrief. From the loops I have done so far, I am happy with the bar of the slate of candidates we are letting through.
      Mar 6
  • Amazon Kofseuvd
    The hire for pip thing is new to me but nice to know that.

    The deployment pipeline is actually very good because we have auto deployment without manual intervals and everyone is responsible for their own deployment.

    The boring thing is the internal infrastructure is quite good so less is learned but it is still enough for a junior engineer.

    When I was looking for new job, MS is the only one low ball me. Others like Google give higher salary but lower level but not for FB.

    I heard the Chinese SDE suicide because his manager put him to pip. The manager himself was pip then.

    There are good managers and bad managers in Amazon. The problem here is manager in Amazon has so much power that could influence the engineer’s work life so your experience largely depends on your manager.

    Although I also don’t recommend Amazon to others but the experience op mentioned is not always the case in Amazon :p
    Mar 5 1
    • Yahoo / Eng
      .broadway

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      .broadwaymore
      Isn't that true in most places? The manager can influence the engineer's work life. And your experience depends on the manager.
      Mar 5
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    • Microsoft NBPE82
      OP
      Arvind
      Mar 5
  • Amazon paopao
    Well said.
    Mar 15 0
  • Microsoft MSFTBRO
    why u still have microsoft tag then?
    Mar 5 1
    • New djshs
      Because one cannot edit the company name when u change your employer. His former employer should be Ms.
      Mar 5
  • J.D. Power and Associates holy-poly
    In any companies, It’s all about your manager. Before accepting the offer, one should talk to their direct manager and the team, this way, we have a sense of people who we will work with. If some dramas happen during the work, planning for a next adventure before they put you in PIP. They could be your manager at some point in time, but not permanent.
    Sep 23 0
  • Zillow Group z low
    “I love the smell of piped people in the morning”
    Sep 15 0
  • Amazon badonka
    This is soooo not true hahahaha
    Aug 6 0
  • Amazon / Eng Sorj30
    I feel you. However you seem to be too sweeping in your rant. I hope things will get better for you. Reach out to mentors or people in your support group, feel better soon!
    Mar 5 0

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