New Grad help: Facebook vs Microsoft

NCR Corporation Jonnie Doe
Oct 11 34 Comments

Just stepping my foot into the industry, I would be appreciative if I could get some advice on which choice is the best

Facebook: TC: 240k first year and 170k after, Menlo Park, CA
118k base / 210k RSU over 4 years/ 70k sign on bonus (all at once on first paycheck)

Microsoft: TC: 157k first two years and 137k after, Redmond WA
110k base salary /110k RSU over 3.5 years / 40k sign on bonus (20k first paycheck, 20k after 1 year).

Besides TC quick background, come from a pretty low income family with a good amount of student loans, so I know money isn't everything but at least for the next couple years I don't mind working hard to get my parents taken care of and also my loans.

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TOP 34 Comments
  • Microsoft divide
    What kind of fucking idiot gets these type of offer and can't tell FB is clearly better?
    Oct 11 8
    • Facebook easzss
      What level is this? And how many YOE do you have?
      Oct 11
    • NCR Corporation Jonnie Doe
      OP
      0 yoe. I’m assuming they consider interview performance, I have talked to a couple of my friends who work there and they told me that they did give me the premium, as exceed expectations/rockstar return interns have gotten 118k/220k/100k
      Oct 11
    • Facebook easzss
      I have to say you're trolling at this point. I know the return offer intern bands, and those numbers are above even for the highest ratings.

      New grad offers are standardized as well.
      Oct 11
    • NCR Corporation Jonnie Doe
      OP
      No troll, but w/e 🤷‍♀️
      Oct 11
    • Facebook easzss
      if you truly got those numbers, then congrats. take it and run
      Oct 11
  • Cruise Automation WJBA12
    Amazing to me how uncompetitive MS is.
    Oct 11 8
    • Cruise Automation WJBA12
      What is MS strategy if people are leaving?
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft theLoner:)
      🤷‍♀️
      Oct 11
    • Microsoft iuYF20
      @WJBA12 Good Business Model's. Companies make profit on that not IQ of the employees. Take Uber for example
      Oct 12
    • Cruise Automation WJBA12
      Are you saying that MS is ok with having less "intelegent" and "competent" engineers which require smaller comp?
      Oct 12
    • Microsoft iuYF20
      When you can get the work done by lets say 90% percentile talent rather than 99% percentile. Then there’s no point paying for 99% ICs. Just have a great exec team. But make sure that 90% isn’t dropped to let’s say some 60%. This is my rather unpopular opinion.
      Oct 12
  • Bloomberg TimeToPlay
    So many smart people here but I never see actual math. Can’t be ballparking these things son. Cash after putting $19,500 in retirement account every year:

    FB
    Year 1 $139,344
    Year 2 $98,904
    Year 3 $98,904
    Year 4 $98,904
    ————————
    $436,056

    MS
    Year 1 $102,288
    Year 2 $102,288
    Year 3 $88,056
    Year 4 $88,056
    ————————
    $380,688

    Is the difference of $55,368 over 4 years + higher possibility for promo enough to justify the stress at Facebook and the higher cost of living in the bay? Perhaps, perhaps not. In the Bay you will have to be slumming it with roommates and the difference in TC will disappear to cover the difference in rent, but you get more money upfront which is valuable too!

    Aside from money, Facebook on your resume is obviously a huge thing.
    Oct 12 2
    • Facebook jIhC24
      No idea how refresher at MS works but FB’s refresher is pretty good
      Oct 12
    • Facebook Tgko24
      this is some dumb analysis - does not take into account promos and refreshers which will further broaden the gap
      Oct 12
  • Microsoft theLoner:)
    FB. You also grow faster and get promoted faster too. As long as you can handle the stress
    Oct 11 1
    • NCR Corporation
      Jonnie Doe

      NCR Corporation

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      Jonnie Doemore
      OP
      How’s the promotion speed like at Microsoft and also your wlb?
      Oct 12
  • Bloomberg sjv
    Fb obviously better for TC. Also don't forget about annual bonus.
    Oct 11 0
  • Redmond but other people will tell you to go for FB.
    Oct 11 1
    • NCR Corporation Jonnie Doe
      OP
      Can you explain your thought process or reasoning for msft over fb?
      Oct 11
  • Microsoft / Eng SwiftSocks
    As someone that is also paying off student loans, go FB. Pay them off faster. Also, Facebook seems to carry more weight in the tech job world.
    Oct 11 0
  • New / Eng maag
    mine Amazon new grad offer is better than this MS offer (112k base, 120k stock, 36k 1st year, 36k 2nd year).
    Oct 11 2
    • Amazon SlhS10
      How is your Amazon new grad offer better than the MS offer? Did you not go through student programs?
      Oct 12
    • New / Eng 127.0
      Decent deliverables during my intern at AWS. I negotiated the stocks from 80k to 120k. I had MS offer too 110k base, 50k(2 years), 70k stocks. Unless you are a return intern, MS new grad offers are more or less same as Amzn offers. One of my friends got the same MS offer but with 15k sign on. Is MS better than Amazon compensation wise?
      Oct 12
  • Facebook jIhC24
    Are you a rockstar PhD? Your FB tc is almost too high to be true for non-return-intern new grad.

    My advice: ask if possible to change FB offer from MPK to SEA. Congrats btw.

    Disclosure: I am pretty familiar with new grad tc bands.
    Oct 11 1
    • Facebook assbook
      That’s too little even for the standard PhD return intern package.
      Oct 12
  • Facebook pelh!
    Not sure if you can ask for FB Seattle :) marginally lower CoL
    Oct 11 1
    • NCR Corporation
      Jonnie Doe

      NCR Corporation

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      Jonnie Doemore
      OP
      Do you know anything about the teams in Seattle by any chance?
      Oct 12

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