New Grad offer - Facebook vs Microsoft

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Nov 11 327 Comments

Posting on behalf of a friend.

Please help decide between these two offers. Looking for faster growth, higher TC, greater learning, exit opportunities.

Microsoft Redmond
Org: Azure
Base: 110K
Bonus: 20%
Sign on: 50K
RSU: 120K over 3.5 years

Facebook Menlo Park
Team: Will be assigned through Bootcamp
Base: 123K
Bonus: 12%
Sign on: 30K
RSU: 150K over 4 years

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TOP 327 Comments
  • Microsoft
    Gnec

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    Gnec more
    Microsoft Redmond. Much better for cost of living. But Facebook for learning since he/she is that early in career
    Nov 11 11
    • Amazon / Eng udtapunjab
      guys if u dont know about places, pls dont sound like a kid who is taught software = bay area. i lived both in cali and seattle/redmond. both has its pros and cons. i would have gone for Microsoft as Azure is a great place to grow along with shining and stable microsoft. you dont know abt team in facebook and as per my knowledge facebook does not have great work culture
      Nov 13
    • Amazon / Eng SEAFreeze
      Redmond is boring and suburban as fuck. That makes it a shit hole
      Nov 13
    • Google / Eng chandni🌛
      Isn't the whole Bay area suburban too?
      Nov 13
    • SAP / Eng
      oULX22

      SAP Eng

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      BayArea
      oULX22more
      Let's not get into debate of which city is a shit hole. Your interests can be different from others. This guy asked for advice for his career move, not social life.
      Nov 13
    • Facebook WtlV04
      Lots of MPK is a shit hole too. Just because you work there doesn’t mean you have to live there. Lots of great areas in Greater Seattle area. Btw, suburban and rural is what some people want 🤷‍♂️
      Nov 13
  • LinkedIn leet4yf
    Congrats on the offers. Go to Facebook for the brand and work hard!
    Nov 11 5
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Fri-deploy

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      Fri-deploymore
      Haha, Facebook for the brand? Can you be more delusional?
      Nov 13
    • Airbnb Rkzb26
      Previous FBer here. The brand has faded.
      Nov 13
    • Amazon / Eng udtapunjab
      facebook brand.. r u joking??
      Nov 13
    • Google zlmA04
      Agreed with the 3 people above
      Nov 13
    • Amazon / IT
      charliek

      Amazon IT

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      charliekmore
      Agree with the 4 people above. I actually laughed out loud when I see the reply 😂
      Nov 15
  • Twitter crackerja
    Azure has well run infrastructure. Facebook is garbage at delivering decent products. And yes I know I work for twitter and we suck as well.
    Nov 11 6
    • Twitter crackerja
      It goes down constantly...
      Nov 11
    • Twitter crackerja
      So what’s the point? Some social network has more users than a cloud company? No sh!t. When fb goes down people b!tch on twitter. When Azure goes down it owes their customers money.
      Nov 11
    • Facebook / Eng
      PFHV77

      Facebook Eng

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      PFHV77more
      This won't make an impact on your work. Both companies will have outages occasionally
      Nov 12
    • Facebook beow92!.’
      I thought you were referring to the 2 billion people going down constantly. You mean the app itself goes down constantly, not user count
      Nov 12
  • PayPal eBVD00
    Facebook for sure.
    Nov 11 0
  • Facebook TheBoz
    This is a dumb question.

    Should I be a janitor or an astronaut?

    If you really like working with garbage pick MS
    Nov 13 14
    • Facebook / Eng iCares
      It's really hard to get piped on l3
      Nov 13
    • Google / Eng
      hotch

      Google Eng

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      Microsoft
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      14 yoe engineer in tech
      hotchmore
      Microsoft does hv a PIP
      Nov 13
    • Akamai Technologies hpBF22
      Microsoft has better products than Facebook.

      c#
      azure cloud
      xbox
      visual studio
      SQL server
      office
      .. the list goes on

      What has facebook released?
      Nov 13
    • Microsoft C-Gang
      Cambridge analytica
      Nov 15
    • Amazon / Eng
      Sheldon007

      Amazon Eng

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      Learner, pretty chill but lazy guy! Hobby: In my spare time, I develop softwares for Amazon.
      Sheldon007more
      Fb, Amazon and Uber are in same work life balance boat. IMO, none of these are a challenge, risk or lifesaver. It's all the same bullshit. Work until you enjoy!
      Nov 23
  • Microsoft hehv3
    You have to ask yourself - would you go work for Juul if they paid you enough money? If the answer is yes, then Facebook is an option for you. It wouldn't be for me.
    Nov 13 9
    • Amazon zVjh74
      +1. FB is an ethically bankrupt company with tone deaf leadership. Your peace of mind is more important. Don’t work at FB.
      Nov 13
    • eBay tysonlee
      ^^ why do you work for Amazon then? Amazon has plenty of unethical issues too
      Nov 13
    • Amazon zVjh74
      Yes, no company is perfect and I have to work somewhere. FB is just off the charts damaging our democracy though.
      Nov 14
    • Amazon QiSz10
      Ethics is just PR bullshit. Big corporates dont really care about ethics. Given large amounts of money ethics can be compromised. Think for instance JEDI. You think Pentagon is going to use cloud services for humanitarian purposes? Knowing that they will use cloud and AI for warfare, why didnt Amazon/MSFT back out of the bidding race. The answer is simple : Profit. The same can be said for letting oil companies use these platforms. Fb on other hand is getting targetted hard recently. While I dont like tampering elections in principle you can give election ads and hamper democracy on Google as well today.... I can now say that Google is unethical as well... Would that change your mind about working for them?

      PS
      Everything is grey, nothing is black or white... Dont go for ethics... Go for TC :)
      Nov 14
    • Microsoft hehv3
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/12/business/just-100-list/index.html

      "Americans think Microsoft is the most ethical company. Facebook, not so much"

      "Microsoft (MSFT) topped the list for the second year in a row."

      "Facebook (FB), however, was a
      different story: It ranked 149 overall, despite tying for first in worker pay and eighth in other employee categories. But Facebook ranked No. 915 in treatment of its customers, hurt in particular by failing to protect their privacy and communicating dishonestly, according to the survey."
      Nov 14
  • Amazon c3iz8h2
    If he is certain he will kill it, FB, otherwise MSFT for sanity
    Nov 11 1
  • Microsoft xle8sn27
    I hate FB as a company but I'd say you have much better growth potential there. Your MSFT offer will come out higher the first year because of taxes + CoL but after one promotion at FB (1-2 years) you will be at 200-250k.
    Nov 11 4
    • New QTdN03
      Can one live in the bay area on that salary? At least in Redmond, you’ll be able to afford your own apartment a short commute away. But it really depends on what you value in life.
      Nov 11
    • Microsoft xle8sn27
      Sure you can, you will just save slightly less. I'd still go for the future earning potential. Microsoft is a really great place but promotions are political and don't come with the huge TC bump that some other companies give.
      Nov 11
    • Amazon / Eng Senõr SDE
      Also don't forget g generous refreshers at FB
      Nov 11
    • Microsoft / Data smckenzie
      I agree with @xle8sn27, but as someone who is on the outside looking in on the azure group, it looks like an interesting group to be in with the growth potential given the new contracts being landed.
      Nov 13
  • Google Harhar
    Depends on what they value. If they value work life balance, Microsoft it is.

    Facebook is notorious for PIPs and a high stress culture. But the TC with time will be better.

    Facebook is the more respected brand among devs. Microsoft is the more respected brand in the wider world. If they care about pReStIgE, that is worth keeping in mind I guess.

    Personally, I value wlb over almost anything else. I see my job as something that lets me live comfortably and nothing more than that. But what do you or your 'friend' value?
    Nov 13 7
    • Facebook
      alt_qq

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      alt_qqmore
      I agree to a degree, I think the big thing at FB is a larger proportion of people trying to chase top rewards since the incentive is actually there, unlike MS (potential 3x multiplier that also applies to the substantially larger stock refreshers)

      But yeah I think it's probably easier to have a good WLB at MS since there are just more people trying to optimize for that over performance bonuses (so more people follow the crowd in either direction)
      Nov 13
    • Google Harhar
      Yeah, so it depends on what they value. I personally don't care for 'top rewards'. The money is already so good in this field that I just don't care. I already know I'll be financially independent in my 30s. I know there are plenty of people like that who just don't care.

      But yes, if they value 'top rewards' and promos, you likely get that at FB but it's also fair to note that they have a high PIP rate and lots of folks complain about the high stress culture. It's not for everyone. And honestly, I don't think I personally would want to work for Facebook for that reason. It's just not worth it to me.
      Nov 13
    • Microsoft impac
      The problem arises with some people in the team care about those top rewards and others don't. This skews the baseline meets expectation level and everyone in the team can feel the pressure to work more.
      Nov 13
    • Facebook
      alt_qq

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      alt_qqmore
      I think the issue is also worse in SWE or other groups where you work/sit with other people of your function, WLB pressure is lower IMO when you are the only person of your function on a product team
      Nov 13
    • Facebook kamburcito
      @alt_qq that's an interesting reasoning. It makes sense, in the teams I have been EMs and PMs enjoy a much better wlb compared to the SWEs
      Nov 13
  • Microsoft / Eng cbCv23
    Peek around the corner. FB is fading hard. Is it really still so prestigious?
    Nov 13 2
    • Facebook random_un
      Compared to Microsoft, yes
      Nov 13
    • Sage / HR
      khCi60

      Sage HR

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      khCi60more
      Agreed. Microsoft is better
      Nov 13
  • Snapchat snappity
    Microsoft is gonna blow you away with a $3000 refresher. In all seriousness, just pick FB.
    Nov 13 2
    • Facebook tules
      Truth!!!!
      Nov 13
    • Microsoft
      Yup new hires don't realize after a few years how little they make at msft vs fb/goog
      Nov 13
  • Amazon You First
    Based on what you’re looking for I’d recommend FB. Benefits will be a lot better than MS too.
    Nov 11 1
    • New / Eng
      AmazonEng

      New Eng

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      Facebook, Amazon
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      Facebook, Amazon Software Engineering.
      AmazonEngmore
      Yes go for the perks.
      Nov 11
  • Facebook tules
    I have worked at Microsoft before. I will say FB only because you grow superfast and it is more attractive to recruiters. When I was at Microsoft, I would get a ping from recruiters maybe twice a year. When I came to Facebook it’s at least once a week!

    Facebook is more attractive on resume. Microsoft is a great place to work for work life balance! But tough to grow.
    Nov 13 4
    • Microsoft xgPK63
      I'm working at Microsoft for a year and I have a ping once a week.
      Nov 13
    • Microsoft Kumam
      Then why are you still in MS?
      Nov 13
    • Microsoft xgPK63
      Because I'm not interested by Amazon and Facebook because of work life balance and ethics
      Nov 13
    • Facebook Mmaa
      Xpg, it's a good thing for your ethics that Microsoft doesn't have any government contracts.... Oh, wait...

      (btw, I love MS, just not some of the hypocritical employees)
      Nov 13
  • Amazon / Product
    avamsish

    Amazon Product

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    avamsishmore
    Microsoft!! Fb is shithole in my opinion - except better pay
    Nov 13 3
    • Facebook lawrenceex
      Says someone working in Amazon. Ah the irony!
      Nov 13
    • Amazon / Product
      avamsish

      Amazon Product

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      avamsishmore
      Lol. I agree. I hate Amazon too
      Nov 13
    • Square jaxe
      All my friends that go to amazon only go there because they need a resume booster then leave after a year. It’s usually the ones that either got a really fat new grad offer or have been working for a couple years but at minor non tech companies.
      Nov 13
  • Lithium BruceLeeee
    Facebook wholeheartedly.
    Never allow yourself to fall into the trap of premature optimization and create the possible greatest regret in your life.
    Yes, less wlb but you are still young and have the energy to deal with it.
    Yes, toxic culture, but the more toxic environment you start your career, the more resilient IC and the more considerate manager you will become.
    Yes, higher cost of living but you are not going to have kids and not going to care about single family house in good school district at least for a decade, why care. Saving money from FB is much easier than in MSFT.
    Not to mention boot camp, TC, prestige, good weather, and valuable connections within Bay Area which will last for life.
    Don’t settle for second best!
    Nov 13 1
    • Google Mr. Glass
      Very sharp answer. Too bad some idiots won’t get it until too late.
      Nov 13
  • Microsoft ElongMust
    If you value ethic and moral then Microsoft.

    If you don't care then
    Facebook.
    Nov 13 2
    • Microsoft
      Oh yes Microsoft is so ethical. All we care about is making numbers for the next quarter
      Nov 13
    • Amazon / Eng
      AnyReqs?😟

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      Anyone Hire Product Manager :)
      AnyReqs?😟more
      🤔
      Nov 13
  • Salesforce / Eng Honolulu🌞
    Bonus for Microsoft is 0-20% with 10% target.
    Nov 11 0
  • Facebook pelh!
    One more thing to explore is to get a FB Seattle offer. One less difference to compare. I don't know if the comp is any different in SEA.
    Nov 11 4
    • Facebook lippa
      Comp should be identical for MPK/SEA
      Nov 13
    • Microsoft rand10
      Comp will be lower in Seattle. But you'll live better with that in Seattle. FB will have no problem if you choose to change your location
      Nov 13
    • Facebook an0nymouse
      Last time I checked comp is equal in Seattle for FB, which is unusual but a great deal
      Nov 13
    • Facebook zuckdorsey
      ^ True story.
      Nov 13
  • Google PvJl86
    FB. More prestigious.
    Nov 11 1
    • Google Harhar
      pReStIgIoUs PrEsTiGe
      Nov 13
  • Microsoft ddftd
    Faster growth: FB is well known for fast promotion.
    Higher TC: FB has generous stock refresher. MSFT has nearly 0 stock refresher until rather high level. After 4-6 years, FB TC may double MSFT TC. But not sure about stock performance.
    Greater learning: It depends. In Azure you can learn how to build a (more ) solid system and think more comprehensively. In FB, it promotes a "hack" culture. Not sure how much it changed after the privacy scandals. MSFT suffered from brain drain for years, you may see colleagues more talented in G/FB and learn from them.
    Exit opportunities: FB is among the top. MSFT is not bad.
    WLB: It differs team to team. Generally speaking, MSFT has better WLB.
    Nov 13 0

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