New grad - Took Bloomberg NYC over Microsoft Seattle

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Hummie

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Jan 10 63 Comments

Hello Everyone,

First things first TC (New Grad) :
Bloomberg - 160k fixed per year (base+annual bonus), 30k sign-on
Microsoft - ~155k fixed per year (base+stocks/yr+ 0-20% annual bonus(assumption 10%)), 30k sign-on

I chose Bloomberg over Microsoft. I personally felt Bloomberg engineers to be much smarter than Microsoft and overall felt the hiring bar at Bloomberg to be higher than Microsoft. My concern is that there are many students around me who look surprised when I tell them about my decision of choosing Bloomberg.

Do people in general feel the same about my decision?

My Background - I am currently pursuing CS Masters from an ivy ranked in top 10.

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  • F5 Networks / Eng etcd
    This poll will definitely not make you feel better. Poll can just get skewed based on Blind having more MS folks.

    Also, as this is your first job out of grad school it won't make a big difference.

    Stop looking for validation and be happy with what you chose :)
    Jan 10 1
    • Evernote bakbak🐔
      Bloomberg is an excellent company and they have solid engineers
      Jan 11
  • Microsoft ScubyDuBDu
    That's one stupid move. Take the microsoft if haven't already rejected!
    Jan 10 4
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      Hummie

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      OP
      Can you elaborate a bit? I feel that I can grow much faster in Bloomberg NYC since it has more exciting work and smarter people. Also, Bloomberg has a very good reputation being the largest tech company in NYC.
      Jan 10
    • Microsoft ScubyDuBDu
      What makes you feel that you will grow faster in Bloomberg and not in Microsoft?
      Also why do you think Bloomberg has exciting work and Microsoft doesn't?
      Microsoft has so so many teams. It's dipping in fingers every tech pot and with internal changes you can work on any tech you want. Bloomberg has limited options in terms of this. Also if you want to grow faster, Microsoft has so many teams that work like a startup. You can participate in things like garage, work on your ideas and much more ways for people who seek and take initiative. So Microsoft seems like a clear winner in terms of whatever your goals are.
      Jan 10
    • Facebook Bbbvdetbdy
      What is garage
      Jan 11
    • Google / Eng catburglar
      Garage does cool tech things within Microsoft. Organizing hackathons, shipping people's pet projects under the Microsoft brand, etc.
      Jan 11
  • Two Sigma kWJilp
    We interview a lot of people from Bloomberg and I would say on average they tend to be weak and rarely get offers. We interview less people from Microsoft (less apply since we are in NYC) but they tend to be much stronger and are more likely to get hired. My impression is most people at Bloomberg are not good but that Bloomberg doesn’t need strong engineers for most of what they do. I am told they have a few superstars that hold the place together. Maybe you met some of those. I interviewed at Bloomberg and the people who interviewed me seemed miserable and told me I probably didn’t want to work there since their stack is so antiquated.
    Jan 11 5
    • Informatica / Eng
      Hummie

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      OP
      Can you kindly tell me how recent was this experience?
      Jan 11
    • Two Sigma kWJilp
      I interviewed at Bloomberg around 10+ years ago, so not recent. As far as caliber of people we interview and hire between the two, that data is up to date.

      Many of the posts in this thread point out that you may want to weigh other factors in your decision as well. If your goal is to work where the engineers are strongest, Bloomberg isn’t it. But if you go to Bloomberg you won’t be locked in there for life, and there are lots of opportunities in NY to move to companies with stronger swe when you want to leave Bloomberg.
      Jan 11
    • Facebook E4
      How's Two Sigma? Is it in the same tier as Google and Facebook?
      Jan 13
    • Two Sigma kWJilp
      Yes
      Jan 13
    • Amazon cLdC56
      I'm also curious what's the tier of Two Sigma? The same tier as G and F? OMG... But why Two Sigma is less known?
      Mar 20
  • SpaceX uevh5
    You fucked up royally, sorry
    Jan 11 2
    • Microsoft Micr0s0ft
      +1
      Jan 11
    • Informatica / Eng
      Hummie

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      OP
      Can you kindly explain your thoughts?
      Jan 11
  • Amazon ✊ThanosJS
    Are you single? If so good move
    Jan 10 2
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      Yes, I am single..:)
      Jan 10
    • Amazon ✊ThanosJS
      Yeah dude just Leetcode on the side and enjoy NYC. Try for Google or Uber in NYC
      Jan 11
  • Amazon / Eng jNeo42
    The responses here are very overdone. This was not your once-in-a-lifetime shot at a Microsoft offer. Rather than comparing companies, because they won’t make a difference career-wise, you should be comparing regions. NYC is a very unique experience, especially as a young person (though honestly it still is even when you’re older). Seattle is nice but it’s not terribly exciting. Given the choice of NYC vs Seattle, NYC is the clear winner for now. If the city drains you, then head to Seattle and get something there (let the company that hired you pay for the move). When Seattle gets boring — because it will — then you can always move on. I lived in NYC for 20 years, moved to Seattle for these past 2, and now ready to return to NYC. Variety is in fact the spice of life. Zero regrets, other than I wish I could have made Seattle last longer.
    Jan 11 3
    • Microsoft bX&#4il
      ^^ This. NYC is a much better place to live when you are young than Seattle. Enjoy it. In terms of tech and quality of engineers MSFT wins assuming your offer was from a core product group like Azure or Office etc.
      Jan 11
    • Qualtrics / Eng
      Dr. 🙈🙉🙊

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      Dr. 🙈🙉🙊more
      Well it seems OP's decision was solely based on which company has "smarter" engineers, and his assumption was pretty much incorrect.
      Jan 11
    • Amazon btsfan
      I second dr.
      Jan 11
  • In this case, I would think the location would have a far greater impact on your life than the company.

    And also, people on blind used to hang shit on MS daily until their stock started to outperform others.
    Jan 11 1
    • Northrop Grumman frontbutt
      They still do because of the trauma caused by Windows ME.
      Jan 11
  • OnDeck max2387
    I don't think that's true. They have a decent hiring bar.
    Jan 11 7
    • New / Eng NPcomplete
      Had similar experience with Amazon. Got an offer after telephonic interview.
      Jan 13
    • OnDeck max2387
      Lol. Yeah what an amazing hiring bar at Amazon. :):)
      Jan 13
    • Amazon hadSex
      Def higher than Bloomberg lol
      Jan 13
    • OnDeck max2387
      How do u know that? Did u not hear that guy. He was offered a job after telephonic round. Never heard if that
      Jan 14
    • Amazon cLdC56
      Everyone knows Amazon has shitty low hiring bar. Everyone can be SDE1 at Amazon, even a dog.
      Mar 27
  • Airbnb Hrydhdeheb
    Bloomberg is strong and they have great people. You will always have a chance working for MS. I personally rejected MS offer few yrs ago but in couple of year I will go there. While you are young you can work hard at Bloomberg and enjoy life in NY. When you wanna settle you can move to Seattle for a much better wlb with your family (hopefully you will have one till then). You don’t need to be worried about your dating life then either.
    Jan 11 4
    • Facebook djdkslwhx
      Why would you go from Airbnb to MS?
      Jan 11
    • Airbnb Hrydhdeheb
      I will not do it now. Although I will not stay at Airbnb for long.
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft Draven
      You want rest&vest?
      Jan 11
    • Airbnb Hrydhdeheb
      Nope. But in 10 yrs I want a better wlb.
      Jan 11
  • Microsoft / Eng MissingNo.
    I've worked at both and would generally say Bloomberg engineers are better and their new grad hiring bar is much higher. However if you negotiate MS will tend to give you the stronger offer, especially considering cost of living and taxes. If you're at Bloomberg look for infrastructure teams like the ones that build comdb2 and high performance libraries since they have really strong c/c++ engineers. Also the legacy stuff is really bad in lot of the company and the deployment and management story for older services is an Ops nightmare. Finally, have fun doing 3 months of training on their useless propriety stack!
    Jan 12 1
  • Qualtrics
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    kegstandmore
    Taking tax and cost of living into account, Bloomberg seems to be the worse offer. This could depend on which teams you interviewed with, but if the Bloomberg interview gave you an overall better impression and experience then I say stick with your decision. However I don't agree with generalizing the talent level over the entire company this way. I personally feel the best engineers in Microsoft are better than those at Bloomberg, especially those who specialize in ML/AI and cloud/distributed systems.
    Jan 11 0
  • Bloomberg HechOneBee
    lol I can unequivocally tell you that you fucked up big time by going with BB. You'll drown in tech debt of the 80s here. BB engineers are tier 2 and 3 at best, although there are some rare excellent people here. Managers here don't do the needful nor revert back so good luck with career growth.

    Also grads TC this year is ~170k.

    NYC life is a plus though minus the winter.
    Jan 11 1
    • Axon 40w range
      At BB I had an interviewer interrupt me and tell me that space doesn't matter because it's so cheap after telling him I wanted to delete stale keys in a set. I'm joining a FAANG soon and I don't think they would agree with his assessment.
      Jan 12
  • New / Eng
    qzmz80

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    qzmz80more
    Bloomberg has shit hiring bar
    Jan 11 0
  • Microsoft / Eng maison
    I wouldn't obsess over it. Enjoy NYC for a year or two. There are many tech companies in NYC nowadays. You should be able to switch without too much trouble.
    Jan 11 0
  • Amazon BottomOTop
    I made a similar choice

    Chose a meh midsized company over 3 FANG offers for new grad. Also went to a top school.

    Sometimes feel pressure from peers it was a meh decision, but the more I think about it, it’s fine! :) if you were able to justify it to yourself, trust yourself. No one knows what you want and need to excel other than yourself.
    Jan 11 0
  • Dropbox super-dope
    Do you pick Bloomberg partially due to the nyc location?
    Jan 12 4
    • Informatica / Eng
      Hummie

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      OP
      I would say location had a very positive role in my decision. I also liked the conversation I had with Bloomberg engineers and it looks a more exciting place compared to Microsoft.
      Jan 12
    • Dropbox super-dope
      My advise is pick a team that doesn’t lock you into Bloomberg legacy stack. And don’t stay longer than 3~4 years. Otherwise you will get stalled career wise. There’s also not a strong path for IC.

      I started from FSD. I stayed longer than I should have.
      Jan 12
    • Informatica / Eng
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      OP
      Thank you. What is fsd?
      Jan 12
    • Dropbox super-dope
      They call new grad training FSD (financial software developer). Makes no sense.:)
      Jan 13
  • AQR DVGQ05
    It’s not just about the company. You will have a much better time in NYC than Seattle. You will love it in NYC and Bloomberg is highly reputed here. You can always go back to MSFT or even apply to Google or other tech companies in NYC later if you don't like Bloomberg. For now, enjoy the fact that you will get to live in one of the best cities in the world.
    Jan 11 3
    • Amazon btsfan
      He will get stagnated in Bloomberg and no way he can make it into top tiers from his work experiences. He will actually have to leetcode
      Jan 11
    • Qualtrics / Eng
      Dr. 🙈🙉🙊

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      Dr. 🙈🙉🙊more
      Since OP has already made the decision, we obviously want him to make the best out of it. However the Seattle vs NYC argument will be quite weak if OP had mistakenly chosen a dev role at BoA/Chase/Morgan (no offense to devs at those companies but my impression is Bloomberg is a little better) over Microsoft based on misperceived talent level .
      Jan 11
    • I have had a couple really decent offers and I work for "new". As long as you can demonstrate your ability, the company you're coming from really doesn't matter. If it's difficult getting the interview just get somebody on blind to give you a referral.
      Jan 11
  • Google Mmkaay
    Bad move IMO
    Jan 11 1
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      OP
      Can you kindly elaborate?
      Jan 11
  • OnDeck max2387
    Bloomberg is an awesome company. Just get into the right team. There are pain points in every company on this planet
    Jan 11 0
  • LinkedIn glelmT30
    Terrible move, MS is much better
    Jan 11 0