My sister got the following offer recently from a non-FANG company.

Base - $120K
Sign-on - $30K
Stock - $130K/4 years

She has on-site loops scheduled with Amzn/Goog/Microsoft/LinkedIn. To increase the chances of getting better offers, does it make sense to present the numbers to the recruiters before hand or wait?

I know the maximum Microsoft will do for stock for new grads is 120K/3.5 years. Wonder if other companies also have a defined stock ceiling for new grads.

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  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

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    Hooliganssmore
    I would wait until she gets offers, and if they’re lower, then show it to the recruiters.
    Jan 170
  • Cisco / Engcocohaha
    MS or PHD? Decent offer for MS.
    Jan 174
  • Microsoft
    Fjjdjdh

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    Fjjdjdhmore
    Nah ms can go higher. And they’ll budge on the sign, too
    Jan 173
    • Microsoftespresso<3OP
      Interesting, recent posts seemed to suggest $120K is the highest they'll go for stocks.
      Jan 17
    • Microsoft
      Fjjdjdh

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      Fjjdjdhmore
      Yea that was just the standard return intern offer. I’ve heard of them matching fb offers by giving l61 + more stock and matched fb return intern bonus. This was for exceptional candidate, though
      Jan 17
    • GooglepRlo08
      I’ve heard of Uber doing well north of $200k for a new grad. This person was beyond exceptional though. MSFT offered him almost that much as well
      Jan 19
  • AmazonFrankfurt
    Why are people so smart??
    Jan 1717
    • AmazonFrankfurt
      Even so selectivity determines what’s “top”
      Jan 17
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      AmazonEng

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      Hooliganssmore
      I don’t even know if selectivity alone determines “top” companies. If that were true, small fintech companies that only hire people with dual phds in math and cs would be considered top.

      I think it’s a combination of customer standing, selectivity, and working on cutting edge stuff. To that point, you could look at google, amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Uber, etc. as top companies.
      Jan 17
    • AmazonFrankfurt
      agree to disagree.
      Jan 17
    • MicrosoftMeHoonDon
      Your new grad tc of 145k beat out googl n microsoft? Really? My new grad TC last year was 172k and this year with stock appreciation and promotion its 200k+
      Jan 17
    • Microsoft
      Fjjdjdh

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      Fjjdjdhmore
      Yea very confused about how a tc of 145 beats out a google or Microsoft offer. I’ve never heard of an offer that low for a new grad. Remember amazon doesn’t do year end bonuses. That’s another 10-20% of base for other companies.
      Jan 17
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      Hooliganssmore
      My google new grad was 140, and Microsoft was 137. Factoring in base, signon, and stock vesting percentages. No negotiating attempted.

      Not sure if it makes a difference, but was from a no-name Midwest school and got a BS in CS.

      Did you guys intern at Microsoft prior to your new grad offer?
      Jan 17
    • MicrosoftMeHoonDon
      No I was an intern at amazon instead. And my new grad offer was 140k tc at amazon. Microsoft’s non negotiated tc was around 150k. When you say 137, I think you mean 107+15+15. You did not add 9k 401k, 2k espp which would be roughly make it 150k (add 1k more for hsa).
      Jan 17
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      Hooliganssmore
      You would be correct. That would put Microsoft at 150, and my amazon offer at 145.
      Another motivator was that I was offered a spot on EC2 (AWS) and didn’t have any idea of what team I’d get at Microsoft or Google, and it’s my understanding that the AWS name on your resume is worth something (at least more than “Amazon).
      Jan 17
    • AmazonCoolidge
      What the hell how was google TC only $140k!?
      Jan 17
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      AmazonEng

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      Hooliganssmore
      No idea :(
      Jan 17
  • Which non-fang company this?
    (looks like a good offer)
    Jan 175
    • Microsoftespresso<3OP
      Apple
      Jan 17
    • Microsoft
      Fjjdjdh

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      Fjjdjdhmore
      It’s sort of stupid that we don’t include Apple in fang
      Jan 18
    • Microsoftespresso<3OP
      Because Cramer didn't when he coined the term?
      Jan 18
    • Apple / Eng
      JVfS11

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      JVfS11more
      Wtf. This was way higher than when I joined Apple two years ago. I hate my manager and recruiter, but mostly myself for accepting such a shitty low-ball offer.
      Jan 21
    • Microsoftespresso<3OP
      Haha. Her offer from msft includes more than 2x the stock I got 3.5 years ago. Stock compensation appears to have gone through the roof these days..
      Jan 24
  • LinkedIn / Other
    dem0gorgon

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    dem0gorgonmore
    Linkedin will definitely go higher on the stocks for an engineering or product position. Base seems about market.
    Jan 170
  • Snapchat8jkl42
    She should interview at Snapchat. Much stronger new grad offers
    Jan 172
    • Snapchatcabin
      Wouldn't say much stronger given the vesting schedule and volatility
      Jan 17
    • Microsoftespresso<3OP
      She applied but I think didn't get a response or didn't get considered for an interview
      Jan 17
  • Google / EngSkshbwnwbz
    I got more stock in my MS offer
    Jan 181
    • GooglepRlo08
      I know plenty of people who’ve gotten more stock
      Jan 22
  • MicrosoftHDnI53
    Is Linkedin, Amazon still hiring new grads with MS?
    Feb 70

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