New grad uber vs msft

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Jan 18 43 Comments

Very fortunate to be in this situation but i would like to seek some wisdom from the experienced folks.

Im having a really hard time deciding between two companies...

Uber said i wont know which team ill be joining nor which office ill be going to until the month before the start date. The role is swe.

Msft offered a team in business application group which seems very promising (exact team wont be known until the month before I start but one of powerapps/powerBI). Role is swe as well and might be mostly fullstack.

Compensation wise, ill be making much more at MSFT

MSFT 117/135/40 along with 20k relo

Uber 108/45/10 along with 5k relo

Msft stock is vested over 3.5 yrs if that makes any difference. Msft is also L60 which is a one level below SDE 2. However it seems that msft sde 3 == uber sde 2 according to levels.fyi (??)

Very disappointed at ubers offer and they wont negotiate further along with unknown team...

Is going to msft the right choice for me? I figured the entry level impact / resume prestige is just about the same.

Will not be returning to amazon as I really didnt like working at AWS

EDIT
uber’s new offer
110/110/20 with 7.5 relo

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TOP 43 Comments
  • Uber TcMogul
    Super lowball uber offer. Msft totally makes sense.
    Jan 18 4
    • Amazon waves ~_~
      OP
      Do you know what the standard new grad offer is? Recruiter keep saying uber will ipo hence hard to raise the current offer...
      Jan 18
    • Uber TcMogul
      Doesn’t matter what the standard offer is. If it’s that low, even if it’s standard Uber offer, its way below the industry standard and you shouldn’t take it.
      Jan 18
    • Salesforce Dino36
      It's possible he was down leveled, that's very low
      Jan 18
    • Uber TcMogul
      @Dino36 this is lower than any new grad offer at any FANG companies. Did they level him at -1?
      Jan 18
  • Amazon waves ~_~
    OP
    Thank you for your inputs everyone.

    Uber recruiter just told me that they can do
    110/110/20 along with 7.5k relo

    And its final.

    Still not feeling that great about ubers numbers... likely will take msft instead. Would it be a good idea to mention this new offer to msft so i can get more stock/sign on? Am already happy with msft number.
    Jan 18 6
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

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      Brazukamore
      You have a pretty much maxed out MS offer. Since uber is actually lower will be hard to get more from them with that strategy. But hey, no downside in asking.
      Jan 18
    • Amazon waves ~_~
      OP
      Uber is likely to be palo alto, sf or pittsburgh. Msft is redmond. So much uncertainty in uber... would really hate to live in pittsburgh
      Jan 18
    • Uber TcMogul
      @waves I would think you should ask uber to stop being vague and make a concrete offer! Or else go with Msft.
      Jan 18
    • Uber DyJKbcf
      Keep in mind. Optimizing for growth is way more important that money early on. Choose based on team and culture
      Jan 18
    • Uber / Biz Dev barfsAlot
      You will not end up in Pittsburg - that's atg and you'd very much know if you're going there.
      Jan 19
  • Amazon / Eng
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    What is that Uber stock that's garbage.
    Mine is >3x as much.
    Take msft
    Jan 18 2
    • Amazon waves ~_~
      OP
      Wow you got >150 then?
      Jan 18
    • Amazon / Eng
      -_-_-

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      -_-_-more
      yeah
      Jan 18
  • New / Eng |l|l||l|l|
    Did Uber know you have another offer which is better than theirs? Tell them you will accept the other offer unless they match it, and give them a deadline. If the offers match then Uber is better.

    Be ready to go through with this, because if they don't match then you should go through with this.
    Jan 18 1
    • Amazon waves ~_~
      OP
      No matching, uber recruiter was very firm on their offer
      Jan 18
  • Amazon / Eng
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    -_-_-more
    Take Msft. Unfortunate that they won't negotiate but yeah they're very resistant to it for new grads especially.
    I was a returning intern and had a strong offer.
    Don't worry about name/prestige. They're both good and you'll do well either way. Congrats!
    Jan 18 1
    • Amazon waves ~_~
      OP
      Thanks for encouraging words :) congrats to you too!
      Jan 18
  • Uber 8bithit
    Wow if that is accurate that is one hell of a lowball from uber. Uber has both a cash and an equity bonus every year each with individual multiplier up to 2x (sometimes higher), msft does not, did you factor that in?
    Jan 18 1
    • Microsoft / Eng Ullflfhjgd
      That's inaccurate. We do have bonus and grants yearly. We had much larger grants last year than the old puny ones and time will tell if there will be an adjustment to stock grants to match last year's on a more permanent basis.
      Jan 18
  • Microsoft exMSFTz
    MSFT for sure. BAG is ok to start. You can apply other companies after signon bonus period.
    Jan 18 2
    • Amazon waves ~_~
      OP
      Msged about BAG!
      Jan 18
    • Amazon RirA15
      How's BAG team at Microsoft as I am interested in applying for that org
      Sep 10
  • New etJe45
    Lol Uber was lowballing you from the start because the updated numbers is the standard new grad offer
    Jan 18 1
    • New / Eng |l|l||l|l|
      Maybe recruiter was playing games to make OP think they got a good deal. The way you talk to them and the confidence you project can really change how they deal with you
      Jan 18
  • Uber DyJKbcf
    Wow your Uber offer is 🤮. Had no idea it could even go that low
    Jan 18 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Ullflfhjgd
    MSFT obvious best choice.
    Jan 18 0
  • What role at Uber?
    Jan 18 4
    • Amazon waves ~_~
      OP
      Swe, mentioned in the post
      Jan 18
    • Really think it's 45/ year. Pls check
      Jan 18
    • Amazon waves ~_~
      OP
      Nope confirmed with recruiter
      Jan 18
    • Then I think you should take msft .
      Jan 18
  • Oracle 🔴vs🔷
    TC aside, not knowing the team or manager you will work for is a dealbreaker for me. Team culture and whether the manager is bad or good can make or break your career. Seems like MSFT is the clear choice here since you know a bit more about the team.
    Jan 18 3
    • Amazon amazoning
      Don’t agree entirely. If you knew you had an awesome manager at Uber, would you take this Uber offer over msft?
      Jan 18
    • Oracle 🔴vs🔷
      If I knew MSFT manager was shit and Uber was good I would take the lower uber offer. A good manager will help you get your TC up and make impact very fast.
      Jan 18
    • Amazon amazoning
      It’s not black and white, lets leave it at that
      Jan 18
  • Riot Games / Eng
    ifbx7474

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    ifbx7474more
    MSFT is a great choice
    Jan 18 0
  • Microsoft / Product
    Brazuka

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    Brazukamore
    Wow, that's L60 I'm guessing. Really good offer from MS. Another point is that uber is most likely bay area vs MS in WA. COL and tax differences make the MS 20% more attractive even if they were equal in dollar value. Seems like a no brainer.
    Jan 18 2
    • Amazon waves ~_~
      OP
      What about the team? Is BAG a good org to join?
      Jan 18
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

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      Brazukamore
      Dont know enough to confirm if it's a good team. I haven't heard bad things either though :)
      Jan 18
  • Uber fhkkbff
    You’re a new grad. Optimize for learning now earning. Which job will teach you the most and help you get to senior engineer fastest?
    Jan 27 0
  • Microsoft / Product
    Brazuka

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    Brazukamore
    On you question about levels. There's no sde 3 at Microsoft. It is L59-60 > sde1 / L61-62 > sde2 / L63-64 > senior. Uber seems to be similar track for sde1 and 2 on levels.fyi
    Jan 19 0

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