Non-tech FAANG roles

BCG Anon778
Jan 28 37 Comments

Hey all,

Anyone in this board employed in a FAANG post-MBA Strategy role with 2+ years of post-MBA experience. If so, would you be comfortable sharing;

1. the comp packages you received
2. The work/life balance
3. Whether you like the role

Companies: Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix,Google
Roles: Strategy
Level: L5+

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TOP 37 Comments
  • Amazon / Product blargle
    Amazon, Sr. Prod mgr, L6
    Total comp: ~230k (been here 5+ yrs so depends on the stock price quite a bit)
    WLB is good, ~50 hr weeks
    Like what I do and most of the folks I do it with
    Jan 28 14
    • BCG Anon778
      OP
      @Mgmt

      Wow, that’s a high TC!

      What level are you currently, and what has your progress up the ladder looked like?
      Jan 29
    • Amazon / Biz Dev yuhfe6
      That's because of the stock increase, surely?
      Jan 30
    • Amazon / Mgmt
      Pfnemwm

      Amazon Mgmt

      PRE
      Microsoft
      Pfnemwmmore
      Absolutely because of the stock increase. Happy for you, but the top of the IC band for L7 PMT is about $370k
      Jan 30
    • Amazon / Mgmt DayWon
      Low IC for PMT is about $300-320
      Feb 2
    • Amazon / Mgmt DayWon
      MBA TC PM is about 200; PMT is 230-250
      Feb 2
  • VMware / Product lRQQ72
    Why do you think you can get L5 with 2 years of experience? You don't even know there is no "strategy" role. Either you do PM (requires some tech acumen) or you do sales and your comp will have a quota... GTFO
    Jan 28 2
    • BCG Anon778
      OP
      1) I said 2 years POST-MBA which for most people implies 2-4 years before the degree so you’d be at ~ 4-6 years of work experience and a 2 year masters degree

      1b) Every FAANG I’ve spoken with has flagged roles at ~L5 level

      2) There 100% are strategy roles at multiple FAANG companies, so you may want to double check your sources

      3) You might want to table the naked animosity towards strangers online
      Jan 28
    • That buys a dummy. Don’t listen to him
      Jan 28
  • Apple CRNY
    L5 is no easy. Friend was in BCG, 6yrs (not US, but greater China), Wharton MBA, comp is less than BCG (no exact numbers), way better WLB (was like 100hrs/week and 250+ days in hotels).
    Jan 28 3
    • BCG Anon778
      OP
      Thanks for the info!

      Do you happen to know at which level your friend left BCG and at which level they entered the new company?
      Jan 28
    • Apple CRNY
      BTW, Apple covers the tuition lost if you quit BCG after MBA.
      Jan 28
    • Apple CRNY
      so he said IC3 after MBA, IC4 within a year, then M1 within another year
      Jan 30
  • Amazon / Project SnowQueen
    At Amazon, MBAs are hired into L6 roles. I’m in the MBA program, 2.5 years in, and have a base of £73k + cash supplement of £15k + stocks. The cash supplement runs for 3 years.

    In addition they give you a small bump if you manage a team of 3+ people.

    With stocks, my total comp last year was £150k, however can’t sell the stocks because of the vesting schedule so doesn’t feel like real money (+ tax on stocks in the UK is 50%).

    Normally, MBAs don’t see any change in pay in the first 3 years (I had a 0.8% increase on base this year), but you will get stocks annually (numbers depend on the stock price). If you make it to Top Tier, you will se a slightly higher number in pay and/or stocks, probably stocks.

    When the cash supplement stops, your first batch of stocks will be available to be sold, and is supposed to compensate for the cash supplement going away.

    Getting a higher pay as an L6 within EU is difficult. And getting to L7 right after the MBA rotation program (3 years) is nearly impossible. If you are doing well, and get good ratings, you can expect to start thinking about L7 a year after you are done with the MBA program, which (if you make it, it’s harder than it sounds) comes with a nice pay bump and even more stocks.

    Some comments on workload above which I don’t recognize. I’ve been a senior PM + senior program manager in two different counties in EU, and my weeks are never 50 hours. I usually work 9am - 7pm every day, more often than not do more work at home in the evenings, and do at least 6 hours of work over the weekend. In hectic periods (Q4 as I am in retail) I work 9am - 10pm + 10-15 hours on weekends.

    Rumours have it that AWS pays more (to ensure we are competitive) but difficult to find a relevant role if you are a non-techie.
    Jan 29 5
    • BCG Anon778
      OP
      Thank you for the very detailed and candid information! Given what you've outlined above, it seems like

      1) £150-£160 ($195k-$210k) is the expectation for the first 4 years at Amazon (assuming you make it)

      1b) Vesting of stock compensation is backloaded, so limited ability to sell

      2) Standard weeks are ~60hrs and aggressive ones ~70-80hrs (including weekend work)

      3) A BCG PL would join at L6 w/ L7 being possible but VERY unlikely
      -----------------------------
      Assuming the above is correct, do you see much intake from BCG/Mckinsey/Bain alums at the Project Leader/Engagement Manager/Manger level?
      Jan 29
    • Amazon / Project SnowQueen
      Lots of ex-consultants in higher roles at Amazon (McKinsey/BCG) , L7/L8s.

      If you are working in the US then it’s worth getting salaries from someone there as well. Although promotions and compensation review follow the same process around the world, the pay varies in different marketplaces based on the labour index (for example the pay in Germany is slightly higher than in the UK). I believe people in the US have a slightly higher pay + pay less taxes on their stocks.

      What is BCG PL?
      Jan 29
    • BCG Anon778
      OP
      BCG PL is the role one enters 2 years post MBA.
      -Typically 2-3 YOE before MBA
      -Without B-school one can reach PL with 4 YOE (~25-26 Years old)

      Thanks again for the info!
      Jan 29
    • Amazon / Other yuhfe6
      In that case I'll just correct one perception of yours.. BCG 2 years post MBA can't get you an L7 job, absolutely no chance at all. Mid level L6 is what you can and will get realistically
      Feb 5
    • BCG Anon778
      OP
      ^Thanks for the info!
      Feb 5
  • Amazon / Product
    buchen

    Amazon Product

    PRE
    Microsoft
    BIO
    PM
    buchenmore
    Amazon L6. If you are applying to AWS, ask them to TC match BCG, they can do it. I was from BCG.
    Jan 29 6
    • Amazon / Mgmt
      DEPk35

      Amazon Mgmt

      PRE
      Capital One
      DEPk35more
      Unlikely to match this unless there is evidence of value. L6 @ 250 (150 cash + 100 bonus/stock) is very easy to achieve.

      WLB is a myth, don’t join my team if you want to punch in and out with everyone around you working hard. That said, it’s rare to go above 50 hours a week unless on critical releases, international projects, or dysfunctional teams.

      Manage yourself, your time, and set clear expectations.
      Jan 29
    • BCG Anon778
      OP
      ^Thanks did the info!

      Side note: If 50hr+ is rare then I’d call that W/L haha
      Jan 29
    • Amazon / Product
      buchen

      Amazon Product

      PRE
      Microsoft
      BIO
      PM
      buchenmore
      What % of PL makes $300K+ ?
      Jan 29
    • BCG Anon778
      OP
      ^ Not sure, but it’s low enough that I wouldn’t bet on it (essentially great as a negotiation peg, but not as actual comp for most people)
      Jan 29
    • Amazon / Product
      buchen

      Amazon Product

      PRE
      Microsoft
      BIO
      PM
      buchenmore
      I am only familiar with AWS. The upper band of L6 can match or exceed the average of PL comp based my past experience. L7 can match or exceed Principal. For PL, purely from career mobility perspective, I may recommend MSFT. You come in at 65, and after a couple years can go to AWS at L7. Same trajectory, same or potentially better comp, but way nicer WLB than consulting and more interesting work. Culture wise, I like AWS better but that’s personal preference.
      Jan 29
  • Microsoft UMbR31
    Son, you make PL yet?
    Jan 28 1
    • BCG Anon778
      OP
      Of course, that’s why I’m now thinking about leaving haha
      Jan 28