Not extended an offer...

Microsoft ArbitraryC
Jun 20, 2018 38 Comments

Recruiter called to tell me I ace’d the interview but that they can’t extend an offer until they interview a diversity candidate as per the “new policy.”

Is that legal?

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TOP 38 Comments
  • Google balondor
    Of course not, but I smell bs in your story.
    Jun 20, 2018 11
    • HCL / Other jstwrkhere
      Interesting to know you had an insider pushing for you. Great job
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng WRyY10
      They were friends. It’s called a referral.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng msfJ
      It's a must that at L65+ you need to have considered at least one diversity candidate, at lower levels not so much unless the team/org had really low diversity numbers... Hang in there...
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Microsoft Wks
      Yep. 65 is different for sure. I had to have 2 diversity candidates for the open head count I had per req. but that same “suggestion” was made for a 64 role as well.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Facebook AKBp51
      It’s definitely not BS, nearly all the big tech firms want to ensure they have a diverse mix of applicants before they make a hiring decision. While referrals are a great way of finding great people it usually means we continue to hire people with more similarities to existing staff than different opinions and experiences that could bring something new to a team. It sounds like the recruiter was either new or very inexperienced and is purely focussed on getting a role filled quickly
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Microsoft IPSEC
    I am all against forced diversity policies, but why would a recruiter share that much details with a candidate? I don't believe you
    Jun 20, 2018 1
    • Microsoft ArbitraryC
      OP
      I honestly think the recruiter screwed up.
      Jun 20, 2018
  • Illumina Illumina
    Read up on the history of race relations in this country. The system put particular groups where they are today. What’s wrong with setting up a system that could help rectify that now?
    Jun 20, 2018 3
    • Because not everyone in those groups got affected by those mistakes of the past.
      So now you have white kid that lived his whole life in poverty, that cannot get any job because of his supposedly "privilege" , and you have the opposite with black and Hispanics that game the system.

      Diversity is bullshit feel good. Look at the individual not at a Visible attribute such as color or sexual orientation.

      Btw, what you proposed is literally racist
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Microsoft ArbitraryC
      OP
      I’m all for diversity and equal opportunity.

      Was just curious if anyone had actually had a recruiter just come out with it...and if it was legal. That’s all.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • HCL / Other jstwrkhere
      Why bring it to blind if you could sue the company be making money.
      This is bs. You just failed your interview, just own it
      Jun 20, 2018
  • Apple / Eng hans32
    You must not have talked to many recruiters- they won’t even return calls most of the times if they don’t have an offer. What next - recruiter telling you that interviewer A dislikes white ppl and hence noped you?
    Jun 20, 2018 3
    • Microsoft ArbitraryC
      OP
      Not sure what your point is..
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Apple / Eng hans32
      That the recruiter won’t say anything of that sort to you.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Microsoft ArbitraryC
      OP
      Well, in my case the recruiter did...hence the post.
      Jun 20, 2018
  • Yahoo / Eng DhobiKaDog
    Get this statement over email and sue your company for discrimination.
    Completely illegal to not give you job because you are/aren't from a certain race..

    What's next? We can't promote you untill we promote a diversity candidate. This is BS
    Jun 20, 2018 5
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      OP wasn't not given a job because of race. Company just isn't done interviewing yet. There is nothing illegal about that.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Yahoo / Eng DhobiKaDog
      How is that not the same thing?

      Another scenario: two candidates similar skills. OP didn't get the job because the other candidate was "diverse"
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Microsoft ArbitraryC
      OP
      @jondoe1 - It’s very possible that that might be the nuance here.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Microsoft ArbitraryC
      OP
      @dhobikadog - fair point as well.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Yahoo / Eng DhobiKaDog
      OP .. stay away from such companies.
      These are just PR stunts by corporations to look good.

      If they value diversity more than skill, they are sabotaging their own success.

      Perfect example is India. More than 50% government jobs and all college admissions have reservations.
      This is one reason why India has a huge brain drain.
      Jun 20, 2018
  • AT&T / Eng
    DDM2K

    AT&T Eng

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    https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/race_color.cfm

    Read the last paragraph. I do not agree with this at all. But here it is.

    I wonder If companies have extended this on their own volition forcing inclusion in applicant pools, despite a disproportionate result caused solely by the self selection of candidates applying.

    Has anyone been adversely affected by this law?
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Product 📦 3
    Really curious what company this recruiter was from. Was it us?
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Uber FLOh38
    Life is not fair. Suck it up.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Autodesk omni
    Is it an in-house or third party recruiter?
    Jun 20, 2018 3
    • Microsoft ArbitraryC
      OP
      In house.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Autodesk omni
      They’re really shooting themselves in the foot by telling you this..
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Microsoft ArbitraryC
      OP
      Yea, it’s dawning on me now...
      Jun 20, 2018
  • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
    Which company did you interview with?
    Jun 20, 2018 1
  • Tinder / Eng
    meowimacat

    Tinder Eng

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    Im a cat! Meow 🐈
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    What company?
    Jun 20, 2018 0

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