Not getting vaccines should be made illegal

Feb 25 65 Comments

Vaccines have saved more lives than anything else. Without everyone getting vaccinated we can never get rid of deadly diseases. Anti-vaxer dumbasses should be punished and some basic vaccines should be made mandatory.

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  • New ONsf17
    CDC has admitted vaccination increases likelihood of autism in subset of the population. Yes vaccines do greater good, but the choice should exist. Waiting until 2 reduces that risk significantly.
    Feb 25 12
    • General Motors wbWK41
      OP, where's your CDC study?
      Feb 25
    • New ONsf17
      This will blow your minds since none of you are in science. No, comp sci doesn't count. "Reasonable scientists can and do differ in their interpretation of information.” Data in scientific studies are regularly massaged to fit the intended outcome. Findings are rarely scrutinized and fraud is rampant.

      http://time.com/3208886/whistleblower-claims-cdc-covered-up-data-showing-vaccine-autism-link/
      Feb 25
    • Vistaprint / Eng
      MBCGA

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      How does "there was an unreported correlation according to some dude on a statistically insignificant amount of people" equate to "the CDC admitted vaccines give you autism"?
      Feb 25
    • New / Eng sparked
      Evidence given: article from 2014 whose sole source is a whistle blower claiming data was massaged...let me guess, you’re the 1 dentist that doesn’t recommend tooth paste, too?
      Feb 25
    • New ONsf17
      Science shows eating chocolate everyday accelerates weight loss.
      https://youtu.be/LfHEuWaPh9Q
      Feb 25
  • New / Eng sparked
    Please note in your overly broad law that the reason there are outbreaks is because a non trivial portion of the population can’t receive vaccines for various health reasons. Please don’t outlaw those ones :)
    Feb 25 12
    • SAP / Biz Dev
      DaedalusSF

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      I climb the stairs every morning. The elevator is for Democrats!
      DaedalusSFmore
      I trust in our system, I trust the CDC and I have familiarized myself with medical history sufficiently to understand how life was prior to vaccinations.
      Feb 26
    • Netflix <empty>
      How a supposed engineer like InTheDNA can believe in HOMOEOPATHY is beyond me. Then again it’s eng at Expedia 🤷‍♂️
      Feb 26
    • Expedia / Eng
      InTheDNA

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      @867530nine
      Yeah, not suggesting to ignore science. Body is the most complex thing which science is still trying to understand. No doubts on that.
      All vaccine does is exposes body to micro-organisms ( minisimal, live or dead) and then let body' immunity acting on it.

      Allopathy works by suppressing the cause which can reoccur with more severity.
      It has side-effects and some are long lasting.

      Think abt use of anti-biotics as well.

      @ Netflix<empty>
      All i want to say to you is IGNORANCE is a bliss for you.Dr Heni who founded Allopathy, the very same Person developed Homoeopathy afterwards, after observing the ill-effects of Allopathy, the diseases it just cannot cure
      Feb 26
    • Apple 867530nine
      Exactly. Cover all bases with vaccines. Your body will build stronger immunity. And allopathy won’t stop the measles or any of the other life threatening and terrible diseases we vaccinate against. Just read about what diphtheria plagues has done to large populations. It’s fucking awful. It stops none of that. So it’s actually worthless to use it as a shield for these deadly diseases and common illnesses. You use it as a shield against other degenerative diseases and other health problems that creep up on you. I think it has a lot of promise for overall health.

      Some poor kid just recently died because their homeopathic doctor told him not to take his insulin shots and to use drops instead. That doctor is going to jail now. The idiot parents are at fault as well. That should have never happened.

      I’m not a fan of using antibiotics unless absolutely necessary. The overuse of them has squandered the best ammunition nature has given is. But I also know my wife and I would be dead by now without it. 💯 sure I would have died or lost my leg in 2015 without it. There’s no way I would have trusted homeopathy for that. Staphylococcus is a monster.

      People need to throw everything including the kitchen sink at preventative medicine. This absolutely should include all vaccines. I’m not going to trust beating cancer to positive vibes and herbal drops. I’m going to wax that mofo out of existence with everything I can throw at it.
      Feb 27
    • SAP / Biz Dev
      DaedalusSF

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      DaedalusSFmore
      Homeopathy is best seen as applied empathy. The practitioner (they’re not doctors if they didn’t study medicine) usually take much more time to talk to you and hear you out. This in itself is of great value as studies have shown. The sugar pill is in addition to that just a symbol and taking it might trick your body into feeling better. Otherwise it’s total quack.

      I agree that antibiotics are over prescribed mainly because often it’s a lifestyle / risk choice: Eg with kids, parents want to throw them quickly back into the school system because they themselves need to work and doctors need to reduce risk of spreading the bacterial infection. In circumstances where close and careful monitoring at home is possible, antibiotics are not first but last resort. Well, and then there are the cases where they’re just appropriate and necessary, no discussion required.

      Vaccines are 100% necessary for herd immunity so that children who cannot take them due to severe preconditions are safe. It’s asocial to spread false information about this and FB has contributed massively to this issue.

      It’s beyond me how quickly humans forget who the real killers were in a not so distant past.

      Regarding FB:
      https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/02/anti-vaxx-facebook-social-media/583681/?utm_medium=offsite&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=newsstand-technology
      Feb 27
  • Amazon ☻☻
    Don't make it mandatory. This way nature will eliminate these r-e-t-a-r-d-s.
    Feb 25 3
    • New / Eng sparked
      The problem is it isn’t just anti-vax kids that are negatively affected
      Feb 25
    • Universal Orlando 8675309k
      Don't blame the kids either, it's the Parents.
      Feb 25
    • New m in m
      Look up herd immunity.
      Feb 25
  • Apple procto
    While anti-Vaxxers may be annoying, everyone has bodily rights. We do not want a society where the government owns your person. Also, if vaccines are mandatory, then drug companies don’t have to keep them safe. Let’s double down on mercury and add some melamine while we’re at it.
    Feb 25 2
    • New / Eng sparked
      This. (To an extent, we still have the FDA for a reason) but yea we shouldn’t make it illegal to not be vaccinated, but it should be nearly impossible to interact with society while unvaccinated
      Feb 25
    • Comcast / Eng Eyla63
      That's like saying you can drink alcohol (fine, it's your body) and then drive.

      Nope, hell no.

      You want to stay unvaccinated (it's your body), then you aren't allowed to do the equivalent of driving under the influence. Which, in this case, is basically going out into society, where you could kill someone with a contracted virus from your irresponsible unvaccinated body.

      And yes, if you have a true medical reason, then it's the herd's responsibility to keep *you* safe!
      Feb 25
  • Oracle oCmdmej
    So just vaccinate uself and u be fine, why worry about others
    Feb 26 6
    • Expedia / Eng
      InTheDNA

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      @018 Intel:
      How come? If you or your family is vaccinated, why do you feel threatened then?
      Feb 27
    • Uber isu
      Wear your own seatbelt and you will be fine, why worry about others?
      Don’t abuse your own kids and they’ll be fine, why worry about other abusive parents?
      Don’t drink alcohol while you’re underage and you’ll be fine, why worry about others drinking underage?

      The answer to all the above is that we live in s society which presumably has compassion and acknowledges that everyone’s well-being are linked. In this case, more directly, for the possible future child I might have that can’t be vaccinated due to special medical conditions.
      Feb 27
    • Oracle lxlemd
      That's fine and all but nobody needs to listen to you to say what they can and can't do with their own body. Your selfishness shines through brightly through poorly masked words.
      Feb 27
    • Uber isu
      Selfishness? If I’m advocating for everyone to get vaccinations when it doesn’t affect me personally so that others may benefit, I’m the selfish one? The people who willfully don’t vaccinate and put their peers at risk are selfless? Amazing logic.

      https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/number-of-measles-cases-in-b-c-rises-to-13-1.4310448

      13 people infected by measles, likely due to “selfless” people like yourself.

      I also agree that people can do what they can or can’t do with their own body, as long as 1) it’s not transmittable to others and 2) it doesn’t affect others. If some idiot dies in a car with no seatbelt on, the resources society put in to educate him (poorly, admittedly) was wasted. If they end up on medical care they can’t pay for, that’s also society’s burden.

      On the other hand, if the only consequence of their idiocy is their own demise with no strings attached to anyone else, I’d say I welcome their contribution to Darwinism. Unfortunately, vaccination isn’t one of those cases.
      Feb 27
    • Oracle lxlemd
      Ok bro, I'm just sayin, you won't be able to force everyone else to do this. You can ask, but not force.
      Feb 27
  • Cisco aztG43
    Do you think vaccinations affect viral mutations for survival and make surviving strains more virulent? For example, the flu keeps getting harsher and harsher, if people didn't vaccinate against it, would the virus still be so strong in its survival traits (e.g. evolutionary survival of mutations which end up so virulent that they even infect vaccinated individuals).
    Feb 25 2
    • OP
      Vaccinations successfully eradicated small pox and polio and significantly controlled chickenpox and measles and hundreds of other diseases. Vaccines have also controlled flu over past several decades.
      Feb 25
    • Cisco aztG43
      Agree, but it only works with 100% coverage, like small pox. Partial coverage may actually accelerate the mutations to become more virulent like the flu.
      Mar 2
  • Intel 018’!
    1) Some people can’t get vaccines due to doctor approved health reasons, so a true mandate is impossible,
    2) There are risks (v small) of negative reaction that can impact your health, so it should be a choice.
    3) Precedent of any government mandate in health is a dangerous precedent.

    Reality is you can’t mandate away stupid, and efforts to do so can be counterproductive.
    Feb 25 1
    • Expedia / Eng
      InTheDNA

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      Yeah. Add to it:
      - a person is on immuno-suppresants
      Feb 27
  • New / QA
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    wMJX03more
    It shouldn’t be mandatory, but for every shot you opt of you should be hit a 10k + fine or tax.
    Feb 25 0
  • Databricks Gjsmxs
    Not mandatory, but rather you will be held criminally an civilly liable...

    If your own child or anyone else gets sick and 1) it's traced back to your -decision- without medical necessity to opt out, 2) the illness was preventable by a known vaccine, criminal charges and civil suits can proceed against you.
    Feb 25 0
  • Oracle lxlemd
    Give it a rest, I'm not getting vaccinated
    Mar 8 5
    • Wells Fargo / Eng ostrich1
      As with the recent case of tetanus in the non vaccinated child which cost > 100k to treat, I can agree with that if you agree that you won't be treated unless you can afford it. You also might not be able to do some activities, since it's not ok to jeopardize others, as others have said. If you are willing to accept that contract then that is your decision.
      Mar 9
    • Oracle lxlemd
      I'm ok with paying my own bills, you are barking up the wrong tree. It's the libtard sjw's that want you to pay for their bills.
      Mar 9
    • Wells Fargo / Eng ostrich1
      In our expensive health care system most cannot. Like I said, if you contract to not get treatment, whi h might result in death, that is fine as long as it does not endanger others
      Mar 9
    • Wells Fargo / Eng ostrich1
      It is not a consensual transaction for others to get sick, for example smoking. In some cases, but not others toy bring up, vaccines are the same.
      Mar 9
    • Oracle lxlemd
      In practice, I will have you pay my bills bc that is the system. And I will not get vaccinated and I will participate in any legal activity I wish.

      If you don't like it, change the laws.
      Mar 9
  • Uber isu
    Should be run like the education system. All children are obligated to attend primary school, unless exceptions are granted. Those that don’t aren’t given the dumb choice not to, child services will intervene. The society has decided that the future is more important than the freedoms of potential dumbass parents, because the subsequently uneducated kids are a burden to educated ones down the road.

    Vaccinations should be no different. Voluntarily unvaccinated ones are a threat to those that can’t be vaccinated.
    Feb 25 2
    • Expedia / Eng
      InTheDNA

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      Not sure why do you think un-vaccinated person is a threat if you are already vaccinated? If vaccination provides safety and you are vaccinated, you must not worry then
      Feb 27
    • Uber isu
      Because there is a non negligible portion of the population for whom vaccination isn’t an option. There’s also a portion that for reasons beyond their control don’t have their shots up to date. Reducing the occurrence of any transmittable disease below some threshold value gives humanity a chance to never face that threat again.

      Also, you should read my comment more carefully. I clearly stated that the unvaccinated can be a threat to those that can’t be vaccinated, not that they are a threat to those that are already vaccinated.

      As for why I would care about other people when *I* am vaccinated - the same reason why most people will care about whether a monster next door abuses children - even if the children aren’t their own.
      Feb 27
  • Amazon lipsticko
    Agree that kids and people should be vaccinated, but at the same time those vaccines should be made properly and work and not harm
    Feb 25 1
  • Wells Fargo / Eng ostrich1
    How is that balanced with the need to maintain herd immunity? Maybe we need more advanced testing to find those people that are in the 10 basis points of the population that would be harmed.

    If everyone else is vaccinated then herd immunity covers them.
    Feb 25 0
  • Wells Fargo / Eng ostrich1
    vaccines should be required except in case of bona fide medical need.
    Feb 25 0
  • ADP / Other luminesce
    If you are truly concerned about getting everyone vaccinated start with yourself. There's a new vaccine schedule for adults on CDC website. If you think vaccines are great you should talk to parents of vaccine injured children.
    Mar 8 1
    • Wells Fargo / Eng ostrich1
      If you think social media is great talk to parents of cyber bullied kids who maimed of killed themselves. If you think seat belts are great talk to the few injured by that. Or talk to parents of kids killed by drunk drivers who made that "choice" that it's not dangerous.

      In other words, there are some that are that have evidence based reasons why they depend on herd immunity. For others, the choice, if provided, should come with restrictions.
      Mar 9
  • ADP / Other luminesce
    I'm sorry thought this was an open forum. It's your choice to vaccinate.
    Mar 8 0
  • Samsung tYCj83
    This kind of blanket law further dilutes your intent. There are a lot of genuine medical reasons people don't vaccinated. You end up alienating all of them. What I do instead is try to talk some of my idiot friends into vaccinating their kids by explaining science. Some have converted some didn't It takes time. Be patient and explain like you are explaining to a kid. Get books from your library and read up on the science so you are equipped to answer some really dumb questions.
    Feb 25 0
  • Cisco aztG43
    The goal for vaccinations should be that one day no one should need to vaccinate. Complete elimination of the disease. Otherwise all you get are outbreaks and continued vaccinations generation after generation. And only the pharmaceutical companies win...we keep getting screwed generation after generation.
    Feb 25 0