Now I have my offers, I can't decide what to do...

May 2, 2018 107 Comments

I have offers from Facebook, Google, Uber, Dropbox, and Amazon. The offers are very comparable, but the Uber one comes with extra equity since they are pre-IPO. I'm more into product rather than infrastructure, and so are the teams I'm being considered for. Opinions?

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  • Amazon / Eng
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    Amazon Eng

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    Morgan Stanley
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    Don't join Amazon if the offer is comparable and money is a factor. We don't do bonuses and barely give out any raise. The joining bonus is also a cover up for the slow vesting in the first 2 years.
    I'm not even getting into the culture here.
    May 2, 2018 4
    • Amazon DrunkChick
      What’s so bad about the culture you won’t get into it? We have work life integration and harmony here 🙏🏽
      May 2, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Amazon Eng

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      Morgan Stanley
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      LOL, yeah. Integrate work into your life. Loved it.
      May 2, 2018
    • The culture at Amazon: mean people. Very mean. Nobody likes to say “yes” or do any collaboration. It’s hard to feel like you belong...
      May 3, 2018
    • Amazon
      UbDR20

      Amazon

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      UbDR20more
      Noir I might amend that to say "self interested" instead of mean. People are nice if you have something they want and indifferent or backstabbing when you dont.
      May 3, 2018
  • Amazon
    Tcsdg9’

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    Google
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    Google is much slower moving. Google Cloud is a disaster, old enterprise folks from HP, IBM and VMWare — so it highly depends on your org, too.
    May 2, 2018 17
    • Google / Product callofwild
      Clearly google cloud is not a behemoth like AWS or even Azure, but it is relatively high growth within google. Lots of opportunities there and strong leadership from Diane.
      May 2, 2018
    • Google nobody.
      In Cloud here. A lot of good shit going on.
      May 2, 2018
    • Spotify / Eng goalz
      Umm, we just switched 100% from AWS to GCP. It's been amazing.
      May 2, 2018
    • Agilent Technologies ugg
      An amazing what?
      May 2, 2018
    • Spotify / Eng goalz
      Improvement. Plus, the Google Cloud product team is fantastic when shit goes sideways.
      May 2, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Product SURM64
      I like GCP but to be fair underdogs need to be responsive. It's good going while they have to fight, they'll get complacent as everyone else when they are even with Amazon or winning.
      May 2, 2018
    • New iucnd
      I'm pretty keen on gcp. Aws has a lot of shit I really don't need but bored devs will find a use case anyway..
      May 3, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Morgan Stanley
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      Aws is duck taped together, running because of an army of devs doing ops and customer tickets. No engineering feat.
      May 3, 2018
    • Google UQBl37
      If you want to join Google, just join Cloud..growth is fast comparable to any other PA...
      May 3, 2018
    • Twitch kappa10
      +1 for google cloud. AWS is a dumpster fire that magically works... until it doesn’t.
      May 4, 2018
  • Microsoft wfhome
    You should not consider Amazon and DropBox at all, but just use them as counter-offers.

    For good WLB and job stability, Google is your best bet.
    May 2, 2018 14
    • Google fADF82
      I think your point may be valid but the data doesn’t account for how long a company has been around. For example, Cisco is #1 on the list with a tenure of 8 years. That’s about as long has uber has existed.
      May 2, 2018
    • Google fADF82
      Also, with Cisco and Oracle at #1 and #2, maybe avg tenure is not a good metric to look at when choosing a company.
      May 2, 2018
    • New / Eng RhpJ71
      Exactly. I am reading that list inversely. The ones with a shorter tenure look more exciting/rewarding.
      May 2, 2018
    • Microsoft wfhome
      I would mentally break down the list into two different categories. 1. tech dinosaurs, and 2. top tech companies. Forget about all the dinos. Among the top techs, there could be some correlation between the average tenure and the toxicity of the company culture. Of course there is no hard data to back up any claim so feel free to take your own risk as you see fit.
      May 2, 2018
    • New / Eng RhpJ71
      Google is known to let people cruise if they want to. Salesforce is not a great place for engineers. The list is more shades of grey than 2 distinct categories.
      May 2, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Al37$6
      Dropbox 2.1 years vs Facebook 2.7 years seems not much different. I would ignore the tenure report.
      May 2, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Product SURM64
      6 months difference for the mean is actually quite significant. Most medium tech companies have less than 2. Looks like Dropbox burns through a lot of folks. I heard some stories, not all of them good. Mostly hard to get stuff done there.
      May 2, 2018
    • Microsoft wfhome
      @SURM74 - I totally agree with you. There should be some hidden red flags or hidden skeletons in the closet.
      May 3, 2018
    • Microsoft / Mgmt
      Бабушка

      Microsoft Mgmt

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      https://youtu.be/6xckBwPdo1c
      Бабушкаmore
      Mind you -- FB almost doubles every year.
      May 4, 2018
  • eBay rawfeed
    I am curious. How did you time such that all offers come more or less at the same time?
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Apple CTRO12
    Do you mind sharing offer details?
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Product Royz
    I'd recommend leaving tech and herding sheep. It's much more fulfilling and the wool is a tangible product you can manage
    May 3, 2018 0
  • Facebook Jeffbazoos
    I was in a similar boat and chose Facebook. For a big company, it really does move fast. Really like it here, absolutely certain I chose the right company.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Oracle tU#9
    Pizza hut or burger King
    May 2, 2018 3
    • Symantec IAmWhoIAm
      Congratulations on your offers!
      May 2, 2018
    • Amazon EOIA55
      Eat fresh
      May 2, 2018
    • Google / Eng OAGb68
      Subway
      May 2, 2018
  • Microsoft qwerky
    Ever heard of eenie meenie miney mo?
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Tesla LEETCODER
    Hey I have interviews coming up can you briefly describe how you prepared? How many leetcode?
    May 2, 2018 1
    • Amazon ugfth
      Yea curios how long people spend on leetcode, especially if you're not that smart
      May 2, 2018
  • Uber broforce
    People usually recommend G/F on such polls. Although it's very hard to have impact and grow at G while WLB at F sucks and I personally don't like their products. U is a great option if you are excited about problem space and potential that company has. Equity can also easily grow 2-3x over next 2-3 years.
    Note that bigger companies have more presence here and people often recommend their own one with exception of Amazon.
    That being said you have great options on hand and pretty much any decision should be okay.
    I wouldn't go to Amazon unless it's a high level offer, promo process there is a mess also it's bad at rewarding good performance so don't expect any more pay than what you see on your offer any time soon. Dropbox IMO has limited potential to grow so I'm not sure why would anyone go there in situation like yours.
    May 2, 2018 1
    • Google fADF82
      Checkout chamaths statements on box at the sohn conference. Dropbox is in a similar position. Fundamentals are great. Remember the market cap is only 12b, they apparently pay well/perks, and its still growing fast. I have no horse in this race but I wouldn’t write off db.
      May 2, 2018
  • Amazon AMZNslave⚓
    Grow a pair and choose
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Facebook Gwkdtp
    Blind etiquette is that you post your level and offer info if you need more information.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Amazon EOIA55
    You’ve peaked- don’t do anything except bask in the glory
    May 2, 2018 0
  • IBM / Eng
    73ieudhdie

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    73ieudhdiemore
    If you want product over infra then not Amazon, because if you wanted infra I would've suggested Amazon. For product I'd pick Dropbox or Uber.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Amazon williba
    Why is this even a question.. Amazon FTW.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Amazon tsrU47
    Anything other than Amazon.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Google JanNoogler
    Depends on your risk tolerance and your opinion of the various bets these companies have placed.

    Biggest risk and reward is probably Uber, but maybe you think Google SDCs will payoff big so you go there (disclaimer: just a hypothetical. I don’t have any inside information about Waymo).
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng extends
    Stupid poll
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Google suhshebejk
    I think G is safe bet if you dont know what you want. If you want flexibility of moving to different teams FB will be easier.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • eBay Clutom
    Offer details pls
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Lyft 6iaf90
    Join Uber. I want Uber to have as many product people as possible, ideally every Uber engineer would serve at least three PMs, and on average there would be a PM for every 20 lines of code.
    May 4, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng kiro7
      Lol.
      May 4, 2018
  • Dropbox neein
    We have the best culture and management among the options. Of course i can be biased.
    May 2, 2018 1
    • Facebook Poswcoiner
      Seriously doubt that. Best food by far though, that’s for sure
      May 3, 2018
  • Dropbox dropper
    If you havent made your decision by now, I would suggest dropbox.
    Great engineering eco system. Everyone is very smart and high calibre
    May 28, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng 135790
    What about Netflix? Left it out?
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng 135790
    OP, can I PM you for some interview prep guidance? Let me know.
    May 2, 2018 7
    • Tesla LEETCODER
      +1 if he replies
      May 2, 2018
    • Netgear / Eng it200219
      +1 me too. Offers from all tech giants 👍🏻
      May 2, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng 135790
      @Netgear? Did you crack or prepping for?
      May 2, 2018
    • Microsoft
      Startup2

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      Startup2more
      +1
      May 3, 2018
    • Netgear / Eng it200219
      Prep. For.
      May 3, 2018
    • Yelp CapJerk
      +1
      May 3, 2018
    • Yelp CapJerk
      Is there any use of +1 ing this thread ?
      May 3, 2018
  • Amazon / Other
    JackMa.

    Amazon Other

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    Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
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    Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
    JackMa.more
    One thing I will tell you. If you have not worked at Amazon before, go to Amazon. If you survive two years there you will grow as much as you would have in the others over a decade.
    May 3, 2018 6
    • LinkedIn JefNotBzoz
      Lol 😂
      May 3, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Morgan Stanley
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      Grow meaning doing customer tickets, ops and maintenance mostly, then sure.
      May 3, 2018
    • LinkedIn JefNotBzoz
      I was an Amazonian before. Used to talk like you do until I came to Bay Area and actually saw the vast cultural difference between amazon and the rest. My interview with a9 - I said I like Amazon’s culture blah blah blah. The manager replied - lol you don’t read Glassdoor reviews enough.

      And that came from a subsidiary company. Just wow! You seemed to be in the same illusion as I was, wanted to give you a perspective. Good luck!
      May 3, 2018
    • Amazon / Other
      JackMa.

      Amazon Other

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      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      JackMa.more
      True for me. YMMV. I understand my brevity led to some confusion. I am certainly not saying you spend your lifetime at Amazon. I'm currently interviewing at FANG and totally acknowledge that Amazon culture is not for everyone and not for too long. It's like the red bull of company Koolaids. Getting a good dose of it early in your career gives you wings.
      May 3, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Morgan Stanley
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      I still don't understand how it gives anyone wings. I have a specialization and can work really well technically. I constantly randomized with these BS tasks which everyone is expected to do.
      The real job of building and planning is only done for 30% of the time. Learning these other useless things is an absolute waste of my time. I've barely done huge projects in my 1 year here. It's frustrating.
      May 3, 2018
    • LinkedIn JefNotBzoz
      This ☝️and this
      May 3, 2018
  • Splunk tSJF67
    Come to Splunk. We pay better than all these 🤡, treat you well, respect you and your family time, and are building a kick ass product
    May 3, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Morgan Stanley
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      You're joking right?
      May 3, 2018
    • Splunk KE94107
      No. Been at SPLK and agree with the above except that it’s no longer just “a product” but rather multiple products. And it’s become a “solutions” company catering to the high end enterprise, which is why you don’t see us selling much at the low end (under $50K).

      YMMV and last year sucked for morale in some departments; like any employer, if you work for a bad boss you’ll be complaining here or at Glassdoor. Ask the right questions before you’re hired. With us, at least you will know ahead of signing the offer letter who will be responsible for your compensation come review time.
      May 4, 2018
  • Splunk KE94107
    I don’t buy the original premise, that a person could get through the interview loops at all five of these companies in parallel with such precision that active offer letters are on the table simultaneously.

    But granting the possibility it’s true: why only these companies, all huge? They’ve already established themselves in the marketplace, and built gigantic internal bureaucracies. It’s mighty hard to get a new voice heard with the pecking order already set in stone.

    Consider emerging companies, or modest-sized post-IPO ones like the one you see in my by-line. Same comp, bigger chance to have impact.
    May 3, 2018 2
    • Facebook Gwkdtp
      It is hard by possible. I did something similar last year.
      May 3, 2018
    • Amazon / Other
      JackMa.

      Amazon Other

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      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
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      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      JackMa.more
      Splunker, some (very few) people are rock stars. Op could very well be one of them. Get used to it.
      May 3, 2018
  • Facebook fishy
    Ex-Fb here. Def Uber. You can always work at Fb or Google in the future when you want to retire. Come to Uber for the thrill and risk, the chance to participate in the most valuable private company's IPO, and focus on a challenging problem space.
    May 3, 2018 0
  • Google / Other ohihoh218
    If you want to enjoy a good life, Google because it’s a slower pace. If you care about making impact, Facebook or Uber. I don’t know much about Dropbox, so no option on that one
    May 3, 2018 0
  • Microsoft exmsftie
    Number each one of them. Roll a dice and REALLY imagine that is your only option. Feels great? Go for it! It doesnt? Remove that one and start the process over... This has always been a nice way for me to find my own bias.

    Congrats by the way!!
    May 3, 2018 0
  • Oath Mlqv11
    Had to include Netflix and Microsoft/LinkedIn to make it more believable. If somebody scores 5 offers from Tier 1 and can’t choose for themselves, speaks volumes of the engineering quality and leadership principles. Lol.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng kiro7
    Amazon is good if you want to get real hands on experience, making great impact, ownership of everything you do. It is for strong leaders. I would push the negotiation limits with Amazon, uber and dropbox and then if things don't work out I would go to either FB or google depends on what you wanna work on. And of course move to MS for retirement only next time.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Twitter 2fool4cool
    Funny thing is you can't predict which one will be better for you. Don't overthink it. All are solid shops. I'd choose Uber since it's in SF and their tech is interesting to me.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng 🤠cowboy
    You can’t go wrong OP. congrats and good job.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Yelp / Eng LolRofl
    Uber/Facebook for product
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Other
    JackMa.

    Amazon Other

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    Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
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    Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
    JackMa.more
    First of all. Great job! I'm interviewing at a similar lineup this month and your impressive offer list inspires me.
    May 3, 2018 0
  • Cisco rednud
    Do u have these many offers at the same time? U started the thread just to get the opinion?
    May 3, 2018 0
  • Amazon Fhtrre
    Don’t follow the herd, do what you think is best for you.
    May 3, 2018 0
  • Amazon Px8227
    anything but Google unless you like obsessed CS PHDs
    May 2, 2018 0
  • eBay / Eng 👀RUseless
    Get the counter offer from Yelp and stay there...
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Lending Club botsunborn
    L
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng asdzxc
    Uber stocks are worthless
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Zonar TpER51
    Congrats. There are worse positions to be in than too many offers!
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Roku UVF007
    Roll the dice
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Nvidia Xhhp08
    You will not get the exposure, growth, and amazing work life balance anywhere.
    May 2, 2018 0
  • Oracle cOrn48
    Google or Uber
    May 2, 2018 0

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