OT vs Yelp

New KmCi31
Jan 17 36 Comments

Have two offers on the table and am having some trouble picking between them.

Opentable and Yelp. Compensation is about the same for both. 130k base + 12% target + 40k/3 in stock with a 15k sign on for opentable. Same base, no year end bonus, 120k/4 and a 10k sign on for Yelp

The team and job sounds more interesting at opentable. Yelp feels more well known and the benefits are better.

OT: ~$174k first year, 159k after that assuming target bonus
Yelp: 170k first year, 160k after that.
Yoe: 1.5 years

Do those numbers sound alright and what would y’all recommend?

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TOP 36 Comments
  • M*Modal / Eng stremf
    Yelp is a trash fire of an application. All the bad press with pay to remove reviews... it’s a worthless property on its way down. At least opentable has a real product.

    Edit: I think I hurt some yelpers feelings. Probably because they know it’s true and the product is garbage.
    Jan 17 5
    • New KmCi31
      OP
      But tell us how you really feel
      Jan 17
    • Yelp / Eng XZmIgH
      Pay to remove reviews? You must watch Fox News too.. spewing fake BS. You’re clueless.
      Jan 17
    • Yelp / Eng jeremystop
      Show me on this doll where Yelp hurt you
      Jan 17
    • Yelp lBNQ80
      It's pretty easy for people to trash a company for personal reasons. But for your benefit, Yelp has a more mature engineering culture. Now am not saying this because I pushing for the place I work at but I know people who moved from OT for similar reasons. You should pick a place where you feel you can contribute more at and will learn (esp if the pay difference is not much). One drawback about work here is that you might feel the pace a bit slow.
      Jan 17
    • New KmCi31
      OP
      @IBNQ80

      That’s actually great advice. I’ve definitely heard that Yelp has a great engineering culture and a better infrastructure. I’d probably learn more from my peers/the system there.

      That said, I think I think personal development or growth could be faster at OT. Mostly because it seems the main Yelp product is mature and, like you said, the pace is slow - though the pace is slow at both haha
      Jan 17
  • OpenTable fdSE17
    I think OT is in a much better position to compete w Google than Yelp is. OpenTable has some unique assets, Yelp pretty much just has its brand
    Jan 17 0
  • Yelp numbers sounds right. Some more info if it helps you decide.

    At the tail end of the first year you generally a bump in base (usually 5-10k) plus a 4 yr stock refresher which is standard 50% of initial grant, although people have gotten more (up to 100%) with amazing performance that I've talked to.
    Jan 17 4
    • New KmCi31
      OP
      Thanks for the info!

      Yeah I’ve heard the refreshers are generous - though there have been some posts on Blind recently complaining about 25%-50% refreshes becoming common
      Jan 17
    • Yelp boise
      After the first year it does generally go down. Your year 2 isn't gonna be >50% for almost all people.

      Essentially refreshers are used not just as a regular yearly raise but also to level you (via comp) to your performance
      Jan 17
    • New KmCi31
      OP
      Awesome. Appreciate the honest context
      Jan 17
    • Pivotal Axe Cap
      What is the vesting schedule of the refreshers? 1/48 per month?
      Aug 19
  • NetApp i🐙
    Opentable
    Jan 17 1
    • New KmCi31
      OP
      Thanks! Any reason why?
      Jan 17
  • From a career perspective, because Yelp is more horizontal than OT is, your potential opportunity to work within different industries under the same roof is possible (for example home and local services as opposed to restaurants). If you’re super passionate about the restaurant industry only, hard to say which to choose.

    From a business perspective, we would go as far as to say OT “gouges” their customers by charging ~$1 per cover that dines at their restaurant when a reservation is made with OT. I assume this cost is used to offer rewards to diners and to market restaurants to diners. It’s an unnecessary cost to restaurants that would do well with or without OT, but it could be better for mediocre restaurants to use OT.

    A restaurant that switched from OT to Yelp Reservations was able to offer their employees health benefits with the amount of money they saved, for instance. Obviously I drink the kool aid, but that’s pretty compelling.
    Jan 18 5
    • M*Modal / Eng stremf
      Yeah restaurants that make more in profit take care of their employees. They pay them good livable wages. They give them benefits. And if corporate America has taught us anything in the last 30 years it’s that when a company can increase their profits, they generally put those profits right back into their employees welfare.

      This is the most naive comment I have read in months.
      Jan 18
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Yep, we gouge by being transparent and letting restaurants choose when they want our services, whereas Yelp uses reviews by non-diners for extortion.
      Jan 18
    • @M*Modal did you edit in that last bit? I can’t say what other restaurants do with the potential thousands of dollars they save annually; I cherrypicked an example. In a city like San Francisco where restaurant employee turnover is incredibly high, yeah it’s in the employer’s best interest to treat their people well. Nowhere did I say anything about corporate America. For you to extrapolate my example that way is truly impressive. Regardless, I prefer hopelessly optimistic to naïve.

      @Meliodas If a restaurant uses OT’s widget on their own website, OT charges for those covers as if they had anything to do with it besides providing a basic service. I think that’s our only real argument in terms of “gouging”. Yelp uses reviews in this way eh? Is that going to be featured in the documentary that’ll never release because they can’t find any evidence of such?

      If the OP even still gives a shit about this thread, clearly there’s a lot of bad press against Yelp. We can win every lawsuit and refute everything until we’re blue in the face, but it won’t matter
      Jan 23
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      It’s only $.25 per cover, if that is your definition of gouging, so be it.

      The problem with Yelp reviews is the pay-to-play model. To small businesses, it feels like a shakedown.
      Jan 23
    • $.25 doesn’t seem too bad. I imagine that does add up for super popular restaurants, but honestly I don’t know. This is rhetoric that gets thrown around here, I’m just regurgitating.

      There is no such thing as pay-to-play. No amount of money can be used for anything having to do with reviews (except choose which review a business owner would like to feature in their ad on Yelp).

      That said, assholes have made money by generating fake bad reviews, and have offered to remove them if paid. They aren’t affiliated with Yelp, but for whatever reason, they have been associated anyway.

      It’s a difficult problem — is the review legit or not? Better yet, is a review even relevant to me and my expectations? OT seems to have better solutions for those issues. I believe OT also handles no-shows better.
      Jan 23
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    If name recognition matters, Yelp is only better known in the U.S.

    There are also bonus multipliers for exceeding expectations and significantly exceeding expectations.

    As a two-sided network, we can do a lot of things that Yelp can’t do.

    We also have more restaurant reviews than Yelp and unlike Yelp, one must have had a reservation to leave a review.

    The OT culture is a lot of fun and there is plenty of opportunity for advancement.
    Jan 17 0
  • Yelp / Product jtien
    What kind of role / which team(s)?
    Jan 17 7
    • Amazon / Other
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      Amazon Other

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      jtien, you watching the Federer match tonight?
      Jan 17
    • Yelp / Product jtien
      Yup planning on it!
      Jan 17
    • Amazon / Data
      ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪

      Amazon Data

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      Fed is schooling this kid
      Jan 17
    • Chase OjDg47
      Fed is demolishing
      Jan 17
    • Yelp / Product
      jtien

      Yelp Product

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      jtienmore
      Haha didn't expect anything less 😎
      Jan 17
  • OpenTable sYeO40
    Which position are you applying for? SE II?
    Jan 18 3
    • New KmCi31
      OP
      I believe so! I got placed as IC2 for Yelp so should be similar. Why?
      Jan 18
    • OpenTable sYeO40
      Would have been low for a senior position
      Jan 18
    • New KmCi31
      OP
      Oh yeah it would. Given my experience, don’t think I matched up to senior
      Jan 18
  • OpenTable OixB65
    did you negotiate
    Jan 17 1
    • New KmCi31
      OP
      Yeah but there wasn’t too much wiggle room for me.
      Jan 17
  • Yelp mes745
    Opentable. Period. Yelp isn't doing great if you followed the news recently
    Jan 25 0

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