Ober

Microsoft Do.no.evil
Sep 14 32 Comments

Let's stop bashing Uber and lyft. If they are so bad then why not fix them?

How hard can it be?

I am thinking from a perspective of where the money goes and in ubers case almost all of it goes to the top execs and marketing. But why do we even need them? Taxis don't advertise themselves and everyone knew about them. The phone apps are not too complicated to make either. Even the volume of data that they process cannot be that high so server costs are also low. The only real cost is the onetime background check per driver.

So why not create OpenUber = Ober?
Open source the code and let hundreds of developers work on it for free. Eventually there will be only a handful of folk maintaining it. Drivers need to pay say 10$ a month for server and background check costs. No surge pricing and customers are happy too. Drivers are their own employees and choose when and how long to work. Ober is essentially just a non profit yelp for drivers.

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TOP 32 Comments
  • Lyft iDgz85
    Sigh. If I had a dollar for every time somebody trivializes Lyft/Uber. All the best to you!
    Sep 14 7
    • Microsoft Do.no.evil
      OP
      I work on a complicated piece of software as well so I sort of know the technical challenges. But I cannot see what is so hard about it? Can you please explain?
      Sep 14
    • Lyft iDgz85
      Refer Airbnb guy's comment below. Engineering challenges include building systems that scale for high volume matching, payments, growth and incentives, routing, optimizing supply and demand, experimentation, ML, managing tons of data, fraud etc.

      Non engineering challenges(which come with product/engineering impact) include legal, support, safety, PR, marketing, working with local governments, regulations, driver training etc. I'm sure I'm missing a ton more here.

      Don't know man, feels like there is a ton to deal with. The significant human and physical component to the service makes it more challenging than a simple app. And this doesn't include self driving, bikes and scooters, which have hard tech hardware, software and product problems.

      I would argue that this is at least as hard if not harder than problems that most big tech companies are working on (Google, Facebook etc).
      Sep 15
    • Microsoft Do.no.evil
      OP
      High scale? It is not that high. Payment routing is determined by Google maps. Tons of data? It's not really that much you know. A single good YouTube channel would generate more data
      Sep 20
    • Lyft iDgz85
      Whatever you like to believe man. Maybe all the engineers here and at Uber aren't really doing much work and we should have been building flying cars by now. Don't tell anybody I told you this.

      Instead of arguing on the internet with a random naysayer, go build ober.
      Sep 21
  • Oracle kJ37vg
    Why do you care about a billion dollar company? Do you own it?

    Stop caring about things. Focus on yourself.
    Sep 14 4
    • Microsoft Do.no.evil
      OP
      Why do u care about my post?

      Stop scrolling though Blind. Focus on yourself.
      Sep 14
    • Microsoft / Eng cvkpxa
      What a childish response
      Sep 14
    • Apple
      appledd

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      Do no evil sounds pissed.
      Sep 14
    • Microsoft Do.no.evil
      OP
      Childish comments deserve a childish response.
      Sep 14
  • Walmart QTFP86
    I appreciate your intention and vision. But it is understatement to say the phone apps are not too complicated to make either.
    Sep 14 3
    • Microsoft Do.no.evil
      OP
      It's not easy but just look at the raw talent we have on this app. It can be done in months
      Sep 14
    • Walmart QTFP86
      Fair point, I agree.
      Sep 14
    • Bloomberg / Eng F.U. money
      What talent? Mostly failed leetcoders, management types, and a few successful offers once in a blue moon.
      Sep 14
  • Airbnb wise taco
    Software is no more than 30% of a software company. Even if you manage to duplicate the software, you'll need marketing to tell people to use it, you'll need to deal with payments, you'll have to fight fraud, you need to comply to government compliance requests, you need to have support team to handle calls/emails, ... the list goes on.
    If you think you can start now and beat, Uber and Lyft in their own game, you're just being naive.
    Sep 14 0
  • Microsoft Raiders!
    I thought of same thing before, just create an app that connects drivers to riders for a fraction of what Uber/Lyft charges.

    But nah, ain’t nobody got time for that
    Sep 14 3
    • Bloomberg / Eng F.U. money
      The app is the easy part. Managing the legal side of the matter and being accountable for the consequences is not something any of us on here can take on.
      Sep 14
    • Microsoft Raiders!
      Well, there would be no liability since the app is just a service that is being used by the drivers.

      None of that bs of uber that’s taking the money from drivers to invest in technologies that will replace them.

      Just a simple app to connect drivers to riders.
      Sep 14
    • Microsoft Do.no.evil
      OP
      Exactly. It's like finding a plumber online. That is not illegal. Just a driving license and a basic background check is all drivers need anyway
      Sep 14
  • Lyft hmmkay
    OP should join California government, ridesharing business understanding is on par.
    Sep 14 0
  • Uber twhgj466
    Let’s also do one thing! Dismantle Microsoft and let’s make all the code open source. Pay all the engineers around the world 10$ per hour to maintain so that we call interview to become driver at Uber for 20$ per hour ?
    Sep 14 2
    • Bloomberg / Eng F.U. money
      Only Indians in India “do one thing”. Here it’s just a poor combination of words with no meaning.
      Sep 14
    • Amdocs / Eng
      chakor

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      chakormore
      Linus, is it you?
      Sep 14
  • Amazon blinded007
    Well they tried fixing themselves and it appears that it didn’t work 😂
    Sep 14 2
    • Microsoft Do.no.evil
      OP
      Fix = please drivers without cutting their own profits.
      They have 5000 employees! It's insane!
      Sep 14
    • Google fangu
      5000 in engineering. Ubers full time headcount is 27000 (probably a lot of community managers and such).
      Sep 14
  • Autodesk liteminded
    Car sharing is a great concept. There is nothing wrong to have the services. However, it was overhyped. It assumed autonomous cars would be available soon, but we probably have 10+ years to go. Also, it assumed car ownership would be hurt by car-sharing. It is only partially true for city dwellers or people driving less than normal. For long term, the car ownership is still more economic than car sharing for normal commute.
    Sep 21 0
  • Microsoft
    e8@fang

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    e8@fangmore
    You can’t fix a broken business model.
    Sep 14 0
  • Rubrik DGxC10
    Acquire market with steep discounts, drive out competition, exit. Rinse and repeat.
    Sep 14 0

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