Oculus vs Pinterest vs Cruise

Uber NvbH03
Jan 10, 2018 28 Comments

Oculus - awesome product, stable company under Facebook umbrella, comp competitive but lower then Pinterest and Cruise in base and total comp, team and culture sem great.

Pinterest - incredible culture, work life balance seems the best. Most competitive package, equity side highest among everyone. Product and business model seems meh

Cruise - role seems challenging, company seems to be going to great places and there’s a ton to do still. Pay is competitive, commute seems tough (coming from San Mateo area).

What’s important to me:
-product
-stability of company and position
-comp (short to mid term important)
-work life balance (not working insane hours, being able to do things outside 9-5)

Leaning towards Oculus esp if they can bump up the base just a bit. It’s about 40k delta from Pinterest’s yearly total comp, 20k from Cruise

Anything I’m missing / should do more due diligence on?

Update: Oculus is giving me a strict 24 hour turnaround time to decide which strategically speaking wise, I don’t agree with. This is a huge decision for me (and my family) that shouldn’t be rushed because there are ‘other candidates that they are considering as well.’ Any advice here?

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  • Cruise Automation / Eng
    Some quick notes about cruise:

    As far as I've been there, cruise has pretty good work-life balance. There's always the workaholics but it seems that most people are gone around 6 or 6:30. (standup is around 10)

    You should be able to negotiate more with cruise if you have a competing offer that's higher - I was able to get them to match my highest competing offer for base salary and beat the others on other aspects as well.

    Cruise's "stock" is worth pure cash by the way it vests, but it's tied to the value of gm, which may not have as rapid growth as fb. But it is paid out in pure cash so if that's something you prefer you can consider that.

    All 3 sound like amazing offers but you should pick what you think is the best fit for what you want.

    I would think the commute to all 3 should be similar if you take Caltrain. Not sure why cruise's commute would be more tough.

    Feel free to ask me about cruise. (I'm fairly new though so I might be slightly biased)
    Jan 11, 2018 4
    • LinkedIn / Eng job hunter
      Can you elaborate the pure cash point?
      Jan 11, 2018
    • Apple pch053
      Do you mean any stock/RSU one gets in Cruise is given in terms of GM stocks (ie not paper money like in pre IPO companies)?
      Jan 11, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng job hunter
      Also does cruise has usual vesting schedule (4 years, with 1 year cliff)?
      Jan 11, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng
      @job hunter: RSUs and PSUs are both tied to the value of stock but paid out in cash.
      Yes, and then quarterly after that.

      @pch053: yes, and paid out in cash
      Jan 11, 2018
  • Oracle Bazinga7
    Do you have any specific project or technology that you want to work on? Are you passionate about building self driving cars? Do you love to play games and would want to make it look real? if you could answer these questions, then you should try to negotiate harder and follow your passion.
    I seriously don't know what pinterest's business model is.
    Jan 10, 2018 4
    • Uber NvbH03
      OP
      Great questions. I don’t play games and I’m not passionate about gaming but I do love the other world changing opportunities VR can give to the world. Self driving seems like the ‘cool’ thing these days but genuine passion wise, I thinking VR hits the spot. Thanks for the perspectives!
      Jan 10, 2018
    • Oracle Bazinga7
      There you go! Trust me, money is very important part of your work but if you're not passionate about what you're building then you'll start to hate going to work. If it's not very clear then try to talk with your hiring manager about their roadmap for this and the next year and see if that interests you.
      Jan 10, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng tr11enP
      If money is good enough, follow your passion, but consider changing your passion to self-driving cars.
      Jan 11, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng
      ^ can confirm, did this.
      Jan 11, 2018
  • Cruise Automation oacf24
    As former FBer.... I wouldn’t go to oculus. Try social VR. But I’d recommend cruise over all
    Jan 14, 2018 3
    • Snapchat / Eng
      Crassus

      Snapchat Eng

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      Crassusmore
      What's wrong with Oculus and what's the difference between that and social VR? Social VR is same org.
      Jan 16, 2018
    • Cruise Automation oacf24
      It’s had culture issues. They’re not the same org. There’s a reason everyone on it has xferred
      Jan 16, 2018
    • Snapchat / Eng
      Crassus

      Snapchat Eng

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      Crassusmore
      They re-orged it in November and I'm pretty sure it is now. When did you leave/last hear of their issues? What sorts of issues?
      Jan 16, 2018
  • Facebook Kurapika
    Facebook is a public company and your Oculus equity is actually worth something. Give that, a $40k delta from Pinterest's total comp actually sounds very good already.

    Also keep in mind that Pinterest's CEO has been vocal about not wanting to go public.
    Jan 10, 2018 1
    • Pinterest / Product tRWf36
      Untrue about not wanting to go public. he’s just fending off filing rumors.
      Jan 12, 2018
  • Facebook / Other Ufhfhch
    Yeah I would put a >50% discount on RSUs from nonpublic companies.
    Jan 10, 2018 1
    • Uber NvbH03
      OP
      That’s helpful! Thanks
      Jan 10, 2018
  • Yelp BDkP87
    These are all great offers. Oculus would have the smartest set of people you can work with
    Jan 10, 2018 0
  • Apple a1z2x3c4
    Will you mind providing any more details on Oculus? I plan to interview in the next couple of months and any feedback will help. From your experience, it seems you are happier at Cruise than FB/Oculus.
    Jan 20, 2018 0
  • Pinterest goooogle
    Seems like all the comps are similar, just pick whichever product is the most interesting to you given that’s one of your top priorities. If work/life balance is a super high pri though, pinterest is definitely the best for that.
    Jan 11, 2018 0
  • Amazon qpBn18
    What’s wrong with uber?
    Jan 11, 2018 0
  • Oculus for sure. If you don’t like your project you can easily transfer. Facebook spoils the shit out of their employees what else could you want
    Jan 10, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Eng Engimineer
    Oculus or Cruise. Have a friend at Cruise that really likes it but have heard some engineering horror stories about Pinterest.
    Jan 11, 2018 2
    • LinkedIn / Eng job hunter
      How is work life balance at cruise?
      Jan 11, 2018
    • New / Eng Pandaren
      What’s wrong with Pinterest?
      Jan 11, 2018
  • New / Eng [DELETED]❎
    What did you choose?
    May 24 0
  • Cruise Automation Pagespop
    Nov 11, 2018 0