Offer eval: Cruise vs Coinbase vs Citadel

Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
Oct 25, 2018 71 Comments

Got 3 offers recently. Interestingly, all 3 company names start with "C".

Cruise (SF):
base: $230k
bonus: $70k
equity: $280k/4
sign-on: 0

Coinbase (SF):
base: $180k
bonus: 0
equity: $800k/4
sign-on: $20k

Citadel (NYC):
base: $500k
bonus: 0
equity: 0
sign-on: $220k (to cover relocation & my unvested Uber equity for next year)
Concerns are their WLB and tech stack

TC $480 this year, $360 next year (expected). MS + 10 YOE as SWE

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  • Why next year's TC lower at uber?
    Oct 25, 2018 11
    • Comcast kSoT38
      No, @msft_girl. Old timers are overpaid due to stock appreciation. New offers are competitive. I'm joining Uber soon, and my offer was $425k year one and $500k once my refreshers stack up.
      Oct 26, 2018
    • What level comcast? SWE?
      Oct 26, 2018
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      Comcast is right. New hires are paid better than old timers who got prompted to the same level over the years. That's not specific to Uber tho, many other tech companies have similar situation. Comcast is probably L5b or L6
      Oct 26, 2018
    • Comcast kSoT38
      5a SWE
      Oct 26, 2018
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      Even 5a's are paid that much now?! I should quit and rejoin in a year
      Oct 26, 2018
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    Citadel fo sho
    Oct 25, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng jNeo42
    Citadel does not pay 500K in base, nobody does — even at the Managing Director level. Base wouldn’t exceed 225K most likely. The rest would be bonus. Either fake news, or misunderstanding the offer. I know that market well in NYC — simply not possible.
    Oct 26, 2018 4
    • LinkedIn hDvz
      Oct 26, 2018
    • Qualcomm Tucks
      OP is spreading fake news
      Oct 26, 2018
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      Amazon, the position is about setting up some early infrastructure and it doesn't generate revenue directly, at least not in the near future. Comp structure could change tho, after things get built up, but I didn't ask if that is the case
      Oct 26, 2018
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      LinkedIn, h1b is for people who are earlier in their career in general
      Oct 26, 2018
  • Amazon level999
    is citadel position a quant researcher position? Or a swe position?
    Oct 25, 2018 8
    • Cruise is more relevant to your expertise, and your work could get more visibility, plus upside of jumping to other self driving car companies for big bucks down the road. Also you should see if finance to tech move can possibly harm your career trajectory. I don't actually know.
      Oct 25, 2018
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      I agree that the future of AV is more certain than that of crypto/blockchain, but Cruise's equity is too low to start with, compared to Coinbase's
      Oct 25, 2018
    • I'm surprised it's that low. Maybe negotiate using other offers?
      Oct 25, 2018
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      The numbers are after negotication. The reason is GM + SoftBank owns majority of Cruise, and no much equity left for employees
      Oct 25, 2018
    • Then they should make that up with serious sign-on. No excuse
      Oct 25, 2018
  • LinkedIn Taeyeon
    OP’s inbox is now full of DMs about Citadel LOL
    Oct 26, 2018 1
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      Lol, but hedge funds and NYC/Chicago are not for everyone. And they care a lot about which school you got your degree from, even if you have 10 yoe
      Oct 26, 2018
  • Amazon gemalto
    Citadel, retire in 5 years, buy me a drink on the beach you'll own. Done.
    Oct 26, 2018 1
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      If I pick Citadel or Cruise, it's unlikely that I can retire in 5 years in NYC or bay area. There's a slim chance if I go to Coinbase
      Oct 26, 2018
  • Tesla / Eng embedd
    Join citadel for a year ( if that's the period before which you would have to return the sign-on) and then jump to AVs.
    Oct 25, 2018 0
  • North American Bancard IFAx35
    You have to be kidding citadel for sure, I won't worry about their tech stack but the WLB is a concern
    Oct 25, 2018 0
  • Indeed nYoo00
    How can you say no to Citadel? Why would you still care about WLB and tech stack when they give you that offer?
    Oct 26, 2018 2
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      $/hour may not be the best? And no upside since it's all cash
      Oct 26, 2018
    • Indeed nYoo00
      No upside means no downside. Remember you can always take that cash and invest yourself.
      Oct 26, 2018
  • Are you SWE? What was citadel's interview like?
    Oct 25, 2018 2
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      Not much difference from typical tech interviews. No prior exp in finance required
      Oct 25, 2018
    • How long should you stay for sign-on?
      Oct 25, 2018
  • Google / Eng GoogleEmp
    What did you end up taking OP?
    Apr 10 0
  • Cruise Automation Pr873
    Come work on self driving cars
    Oct 26, 2018 0
  • Nvidia / Eng Mr.XoXo
    Can you share some details like your domain. Or what was asked.
    Oct 25, 2018 1
    • Uber / Eng dXtpaY73
      OP
      typical leetcode style questions plus some big data & distributed systems questions
      Oct 25, 2018
  • Cruise Automation Pagespop
    Nov 11, 2018 0
  • Apple Reviewshit
    How were coinbase interviews?
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • New awxhopl
    There is a talk that Coinbase is going IPO in near future. Take that in consideration. So your $800k might worth double.
    Oct 26, 2018 2
    • Isn't there a concern that they don't make it? Coinbase is 100% invested in an speculative concept called crypto. They will die if bitcoin dies.
      Oct 26, 2018
    • New awxhopl
      Bitcoin is not going to die. A startup has more chance of dying by natural death that Bitcoin killing it.
      Oct 26, 2018
  • Twitter / Eng topk
    Keep looking. Otherwise citadel but not good for long term career
    Oct 25, 2018 0
  • Anaplan weaponized
    Nonetheless... Congrats on your choice and leaving Uber if you do
    Oct 25, 2018 0
  • Anaplan weaponized
    I'd personally go for Cruise... Autonomous driving is going to be the future, and equity usually pays better than salary... Admittedly in not interested in NYC
    Oct 25, 2018 0
  • Amazon coolest
    Join coinbase for IPO
    Oct 26, 2018 3
    • Criteo oNSh36
      Coinbase is the sucker's bet. Volume has collapsed, and volatility is down. This is hitting exchange revenues hard. Coinbase and other big players (Bitmain and Bitfury) are rushing for the exits, trying to IPO. It's doubtful that will happen, especially as stocks are getting pounded and crypto remains in a bear market. Especially not at the ridiculous valuations they're claiming (Coinbase won't be valued at $8 billion, they're blowing smoke). Coinbase also recently laid off some support staff. One more leg down in crypto, and these companies are screwed.
      Oct 26, 2018
    • Amazon coolest
      High risk high return. People have been talking about crypto is going to die for years. It’s not that simple.
      Oct 27, 2018
    • Criteo oNSh36
      I'm not talking about crypto, but a bet on a specific company. Crypto doesn't have to die for Coinbase to lose. They are valuing OP's potential equity at 5x their last raise, in a bear market. The risk is off the charts, especially if OP is holding crypto as well. The reward is questionable.
      Oct 27, 2018

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