Offer evaluation

VMware KDSf72
Jul 24 44 Comments

Dear blind community,

Hoping to get some advice on some offers. Have to pick between,

Salesforce: 330K (Non core distributed systems project)
Rubrik: 360K (Likely involves tech debt work in near term)
WeWork: 360K (?)

Rubrik and wework are pre IPO so their numbers are projections. Rubrik is probably closer to reality that WeWork IMO. Base for all of them is in the range of 210-240K. Any suggestions?

YOE: 9
Current TC: 250K

Thanks!

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  • Rubrik fatboyq
    Here's my take. WeWork is definitely out. Not even a worthwhile option. Salesforce is fine if you want an easy life, don't mind the mediocrity, don't particularly care to do aggressive career building, and don't mind the commute to SF. Rubrik is not perfect by any means, and has its unique challenges, but there are plenty of opportunities to push your career forward. Also, not working hard is not really an option at Rubrik. So, to me, the question is what do you want? Do you want to take it easy or would you like to strive to push your career forward.
    Jul 28 7
    • WeWork / R&D uJuA35
      Already did
      Jul 28
    • Tesla sighsowk
      You have a CEO who cashed out $700 million before the ipo. Hippie shitty policies such as no expensing of meals containing meat. Softbank walking out of investing more money.

      On top of all that you have a company that is going to be hit significantly the moment there is a downturn in the tech industry. Want more?
      Jul 29
    • WeWork / R&D uJuA35
      Everything you just said is propoganda quoted word by word from the media - i can answer each one.
      Softbank walking out? They invested 10bn... Is that walking out?
      Hit on a downturn? WeWork has over 40% of customers (and growing) as enterprises with 3-5 year commitment.
      No meat policy - not really interfering, just more sushi yay
      CEO cash out - it was done over a about 3-4 years, not before an IPO, and the money way used to buy buildings which he tied in contract to WeWork, which means he bets his own assets on the company. And besides, he still the largest stakeholder after all that, so is that really a cash out?
      I think you should stop believing the shit talk and start opening you mind dude
      Jul 29
    • Tesla sighsowk
      Lol you actually see the ceo renting out his own buildings to his own company as a positive sign. That’s a big fucking red flag indicating the lack of any decent corporate governance. Man looks like the kool aid over there is stronger than the one at Tesla.

      Lack of further investment by SoftBank is a pretty fucking big red flag. Things like the no meat policy are indicative of a distorted and clueless leadership that is wasting time and resources on useless policies. Get out of the reality distortion field and maybe you’ll realize then that everything is not propaganda or fud.
      Jul 29
    • WeWork / R&D uJuA35
      You scared of red flags? The startup world isn't for you i guess
      Jul 29
  • Tesla sighsowk
    I would stay the fuck away from WeWork. If there ever was a walking red flag it would be that company.
    Jul 25 2
  • WeWork / R&D uJuA35
    WeWork is a lot of fun and really challenging. Great for career growth
    Jul 25 0
  • Nutanix ajwshsvh
    Salesforce overall and it’s not even close
    Jul 24 8
    • Rubrik / Eng knowbody
      If you sold a private company and went to Nutanix, I’m assuming your private company didn’t do so well. I don’t see anything special about Salesforce. There aren’t that many cool things they look like they’ll be working on as well. Comp wise they’re okay I guess. Their hiring bar is also pretty low so you’re not likely to work with impressive people. Unless you want to rest and vest, not sure why you would go there. Even then there’s better places, F/G/LI for example.
      Jul 25
    • Nutanix ajwshsvh
      Well your assumption is fair but incorrect. Got acquired by FAANG, went to Nutanix, now I’m at Netflix. Rubrik is solid and it’s not a knock on them, but for Vmware guy Salesforce would most likely be his best choice. WeWork is definitely the biggest NO of all time.
      Jul 25
    • Rubrik / Eng knowbody
      Why Nutanix though? Seems like a step down from FAANG/Netflix. In general, Salesforce isn’t a good company to work for imo. Lots of factors pointing to it. Agreed that WeWork seems like a no from what I’ve heard.
      Jul 25
    • VMware KDSf72
      OP
      @knowbody could you elaborate a few reasons why salesforce is not so great in your opinion? Just a clarification the group that I am looking at is not the core salesforce which is what you may be alluding to. I interviewed at several places, rubrik was great of course but I have no reason to knock down my experience at salesforce as well. It was more or less a standard bay area interview so I am not sure about the bar being low.
      Jul 25
    • Rubrik / Eng knowbody
      Just judging from my interviews there and the people I know who work there. I was talking about the core group though. I’ve heard the acquisitions are better. I heard good things about Quip.
      Jul 25
  • Rubrik fatboyq
    To uplevel the conversation a bit, OP's current employer (VMware) builds and sells solid software products. So does Salesforce and Rubrik. That's their bread and butter and thus they have an engineering culture in place.

    WeWork is extremely innovative in what it did and deserves to be wildly successful, but it's bread and butter is not selling software. When I suggested the OP to not consider WeWork, that is an important aspect. The scandals matter too, but that's a personal moral compass. E.g. I could never work for Facebook or Uber, and the way silicon valley is going, that list is rapidly increasing. But there are 10000s of employees who are perfectly happy and successful there.

    That said, WeWork could be investing heavily into it's software arm, and that may be a worthwhile opportunity for the OP to consider. WeWork employees should help OP understand those considerations. But they start out defending. There is so much to defend.
    Jul 29 3
    • Okta doll$h
      Rubrik, your post x 💯!
      Jul 29
    • WeWork / R&D uJuA35
      Why wouldn't i defend it when you lay (false) accusation after accusation? And then you go and write a post like this one instead of answering me directly.
      Look dude, if red flags like partying and spending money scare you, startups are not for you. Its not like wework did experiments on people and got them into depression (FB) or it lists their employees as contractors to not pay them benefits (uber), on the contrary - our cleaning people get RSUs too
      Jul 30
    • WeWork / R&D uJuA35
      Like, at least be fair to other people answering this thread if you're going to act like you're some noble
      Jul 30
  • VMware KDSf72
    OP
    Update: I have decided to go with the Salesforce offer. Thanks everyone!
    Aug 7 3
    • Rubrik rubrikone
      That's great! Congratulations!
      Aug 7
    • Salesforce foobar1233
      Welcome. What’s the breakdown of your offer?
      Aug 7
    • Rubrik / Eng knowbody
      Congrats!
      Aug 7
  • Okta doll$h
    Wework is targeting this September for their IPO fyi
    Jul 24 2
    • VMware KDSf72
      OP
      It feels very bubbly for the lack of a better word. Base is very good though.
      Jul 24
    • Okta doll$h
      Fair enough. Rubrik seems to be a good enterprise business. Sfdc stock on the other hand seems to have hit the wall
      Jul 24
  • WeWork / Eng ʇǝǝ⅂ɥɔǝ⊥
    Congrats on the offers, what’s the level at WeWork?
    Jul 25 0
  • Salesforce vveorv
    What title at Salesforce?
    Jul 24 5
    • VMware KDSf72
      OP
      LMTS
      Jul 24
    • Salesforce vveorv
      What’s the breakdown of the offer?
      Jul 24
    • VMware KDSf72
      OP
      Don't have the precise breakdown yet. Still in negotiation.
      Jul 24
    • Salesforce vveorv
      Solid offer
      Jul 24
    • Salesforce mb0
      Play hardball with salesforce. But not impossible ball, be realistic and upfront.

      If HM really likes you, they’ll likely go for the highest end. 🍿
      Aug 8
  • Metromile rXjs55
    what level and breakdown of offer?
    Jul 25 0
  • Rubrik / Eng knowbody
    I’d obviously suggest Rubrik but what’re you prioritizing/looking for in the role? I can try to provide you with more info if you need.
    Jul 24 0
  • VMware oscarot
    What is your current role in vmware?
    Jul 24 1
  • Microsoft / Eng oieeeee
    Location?
    Jul 25 0

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