Offer evaluation Microsoft l61, Google L3 and Amazon SDE2

Microsoft RVP20
Nov 9 21 Comments

One of my friend is doing master's and got offers from google, ms and amazon.
He had 2 years work ex in ml prior to master's in a unicorn outside US.
He needs help making a decision. He is interested in working on ml.

Amazon Sunnyvale - SDE 2
Alexa ai - nlp + software engineering work

Microsoft Redmond - Level 61
Bing search - nlp + software engineering work

Google Mountain view - Level 3 - intern conversion offer
Geo org - no idea about team - they will match team 1 month before start date

Amazon - 175k base, 78k+58k sign on in first 2 years, 175k stock (vesting 5%, 15%, 40%, 40% in 4 years)

Microsoft - 140k base, 50k+50k sign on, 250k stock (3.5 years, first 25% vests in 6 months), upto 20% bonus

Google - 125k base, 50k sign on, 270k stock (4 years), 15% target bonus

His current preference is Google > MS > Amazon.

Pay wise Google is lowest. But he is inclined to join google because of good intern experience, brand name, perks and growth opportunities (considering he is just l3 so promo will be easier as compared to l61 at MS).
His intern was in ml but his main concern is the ability to get a ml team in google. Since google is not divulging any information about the team, he is not sure if he will get a ml team or infra team at Google.

How hard it is to get matched to a ml team without a phd at google?

If the initial team is not in ml, how hard is it to move to a ml team after 1 year?
I believe there must be a lot of internal competition from phd folks or experienced Google employees.

What to do think?

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TOP 21 Comments
  • Microsoft msbay
    Microsoft is paying 100K joining bonus and 250K stock for l61???
    Nov 9 7
    • Microsoft RVP20
      OP
      original ms offer was 131.5 base, 50 sign on, 140 stock.
      Nov 9
    • Akamai Technologies / Eng __init__()
      You told this is for your friend but how they matched your offer? Be frank- it's your own offers, why hide
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft RVP20
      OP
      the friend does not have a blind account because still in university lol..the friend is using the account..
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft msbay
      Lol op edited his first reply. It was "my" not "his". That's why I posted the next reply asking his offer details!!😊
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft RVP20
      OP
      msbay, that's correct lol.
      Nov 9
  • Facebook / Eng mturtle
    Why even consider google? Its lowest level and lowest comp.

    Amzn would be best. Then try reapplying to google after 1 or 2 years.
    Nov 9 0
  • Amazon lwri07
    I don’t I understand why leave money on the table he can move to google after two years any ways.
    Nov 9 0
  • Google KahKeLunga
    Looks like standard Google L3 pay. But having other offers would be a benefit. Nowadays Google is not doing very well with matching competing offer.
    Nov 9 2
    • LinkedIn nMnX85
      270k stock is standard google l3?
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft RVP20
      OP
      Google's new grad offer without competing offers is 125 base, 20 sign on and 100k stock
      Nov 9
  • Amazon TiCi
    Google’s refreshers are around 80k for L4. Even with having refreshers for Google, Amazon wins out slightly in this case TC wise. But wlb, 401k match, and perks would make Google more favorable.
    Nov 9 2
    • Microsoft RVP20
      OP
      Google offer is L3, not L4. So even less, comp wise.
      Nov 9
    • Amazon TiCi
      But promotion should occur in a year, which is what I based it off. 401k match is worth 9k more and food is worth 10k more pre tax.
      Nov 9
  • Why not applied/research scientist in Amazon
    Nov 9 0
  • Microsoft HarleyQui
    I agree. Google > MSFT > Amazon
    Nov 9 0
  • Target horsepower
    I thought Amazon base caps at 160k. How come they offered you 175k?
    Nov 13 1
    • Facebook / Eng mturtle
      Not in the bay area.
      Nov 13
  • Microsoft samlishen
    He/you should also think about the cost of living as well as the taxes. Cost of living in Seattle area isn’t that high compare to Bay Area and no state or local taxes.
    7d 0

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