Offer evaluation: Microsoft vs. Non-FAANG company

IBM Jake96
Sep 7, 2018 38 Comments

Microsoft: $250K TC in Redmond (level-64). The team is poor(okay work). If I join, I will try to move to a different team after 6 months. Good brand name on resume.

VMware/HP/Ebay/Intel/Cisco or likes of that : $321K TC in Bay Area. I like the team.

I'm a PM with 9 years of experience. What do you suggest and why?

No trolling please. Looking for your advice.

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  • Facebook public
    Msft is also non faang...
    Sep 7, 2018 10
    • Microsoft gfba68
      LOL Microsoft isn't quite in the same tier as Google of FB but nobody sees it as a black mark on your resume. Come on, now.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Microsoft JesusSatan
      No one gives a shot about "tiers" as soon as you are interviewing. At that point it's "what you've done" and how well you answer their questions.

      Never been turned down for interviews since joining msft.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Facebook public
      Sure they do, real world experience. Bias is real.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Microsoft / Consultant nutsy
      Just because I tag as a Consultant here doesn’t mean I’m one. Microsoft is the least Koolaid? You serious brah? I’ve been here a looooooooooong time, MS koolaid is definitely more Han anyone else.
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      No, they don't.
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Hzuwbczh

    Microsoft Eng

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    Hzuwbczhmore
    Go for Non Faang..Microsoft isn't worth taking a pay cut..
    Sep 7, 2018 5
    • Intel prestigeus
      But Seattle vs Bay area..
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Indeed / Eng on 🔥
      It's 32k difference in taxes and ~12k difference in housing, so you are really comparing 250k Ms offer vs 275k non ms
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      I think it's a much bigger difference than $12k on housing if you want to own. MSFT comes out a bit higher on COL basis.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Charmie
      Do you have a family?
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Not yet. Just me and my wife. We don't plan to buy house at either places.
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product Kemw
    What’s the other company
    Sep 7, 2018 6
    • Box / Eng Gqwx32
      They are all on par w Msft. Don't think you get any more respect with msft on your resume
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Well, obviously NOT HP, because a Sr Director makes at most $250k @ bay.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product Kemw
      Msft is def above those companies reputation wise.. but you got screwed comp wise. I’m making 250K L62 in the Bay Area but that’s due to consistent top performer, SSAs, and stock appreciation
      Sep 7, 2018
    • How much worth of SSA did you get per year?
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product Kemw
      I got an 80K SSA then 50K, on top of regular stock refreshers. However I’ve been told that’s very uncommon and purely due to flight risk of consistent top performers
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng FreshPrinc
    Microsoft is only a bad name if you apply at a startup run by 23 year old twats.
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Charmie
    Its easy enough to move around MICROSOFT once you are on inside if you are fine with a few interviews. You just contact the hiring manager directly to setup a loop. There’s a ton of variety across the company from programming languages, compilers, databases, gaming, car software, azure, etc.
    Sep 7, 2018 2
    • Proofpoint / Eng
      Q🦆

      Proofpoint Eng

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      Q🦆more
      When you internal , is it possible to ask salary raise.
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng FreshPrinc
      No raises or promos for internal transfers.
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Roku CsPw57
    After accounting for state tax and cost of living, bay area offer is still slightly better. Internal Mobility in Microsoft is not easy, and Microsoft is not a very great name on your resume especially in bay area.
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • EMC XKHK13
    Go with Microsoft.
    They take care of their employees very well.
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
    Moving around internally is relatively easy at MSFT.

    You should make the decision based on the area you want to live in.
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • Cisco / Eng void ptr
    That TC at ICE is worth it will the free food and perks
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • Docker / R&D
    SQL_Inject

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    Google, Facebook
    SQL_Injectmore
    What is breakdown between cash and stock for each?

    If TC for the $320k company is 50% stock, that’s a huge variable to consider (ie what is likelihood company will ‘succeed’ vs sink like the titanic)
    Sep 7, 2018 1
    • It's same ratio for both. 60% base and 40% for RSU, bonus, signings etc.
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Facebook 🐌 impact
    Go with Microsoft +1. See if you can negotiate the offer better.
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • Proofpoint / Eng
    Q🦆

    Proofpoint Eng

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    Q🦆more
    No way in Cisco u make 250k
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • EMC oukd21
    Go with Microsoft.
    Oct 9, 2018 0
  • Athenahealth / Eng anon2040
    Intel isn’t gonna pay any 9 yoe PM 321K TC
    Sep 8, 2018 0