Offer from Apple

Adobe Leoaugust
Jul 11, 2018 49 Comments

Trying to figure out if the offer from Apple is good. Have 10 years of exp as software engineer. Offer is 170k base + 20k sign on bonus + 160k RSUs over 4 years. The level is ICT4. Is this good offer? I am at Sr. Computer Scientist at adobe. And the team that I have offer from is IdMS

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TOP 49 Comments
  • Apple cAIo1
    This team is in IS&T that is why it is low in RSU
    Jul 11, 2018 2
    • Walmart.com OFyf12
      Heard bad reviews about IS&T. How about Apple Pay and iCloud teams? Are they also under IS&T?
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Apple cAIo1
      iCloud is way better than Apple Pay. Both are not under IS&T
      Jul 11, 2018
  • Cruise Automation / Other Egg joyjj
    Seems pretty low
    Jul 11, 2018 0
  • Autodesk / Eng EyAl81
    I turned down Apple due to IS&T and terrible reviews.
    Jul 11, 2018 2
    • Proofpoint / Eng foodtruckj
      IS&T?
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Autodesk / Eng EyAl81
      Basically the IT department
      Jul 11, 2018
  • idMS is IS&T. DO NOT JOIN THIS ORG!! FOR YOUR CAREER SAKE and YOUR MENTAL HEALTH!!
    Jul 11, 2018 1
    • Autodesk / Eng EyAl81
      What’s isMS
      Jul 12, 2018
  • Proofpoint / Eng foodtruckj
    What is your currect TC?
    If the TC difference is less than 10%, don't go to Apple because the workload there is 20% more than Adobe.

    Adobe is known for WLB and Apple is known for making work your only life.

    Also, this is very low offer. Apple is becoming cheap lately.
    Jul 11, 2018 1
    • Apple / Eng AngryCat
      That’s really dependent on what team you’re on.
      Jul 11, 2018
  • Yahoo Genius
    Lately?? It's been always cheap.
    They're good at dividends and shares buybacks.
    Jul 11, 2018 0
  • Apple Mikgfh
    What’s your comp at Adobe? All packages are function of what you are leaving behind. Unless you are ML ninja or have competing offer from tier 1 companies.
    Jul 11, 2018 5
    • Adobe Leoaugust
      OP
      The total comp at Apple is more than what I have at adobe
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Adobe Leoaugust
      OP
      Total comp at adobe is 170k base + 5% bonus + RSU. RSU range can be anywhere from 30k to 150k
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Apple vcVg33
      TC at Adobe for Sr CS can go to 350-400k
      Jul 12, 2018
    • Intel JCma75
      Do you get a 401k match and Espp opportunities?
      Jul 13, 2018
    • Adobe JKR
      At Adobe you get Espp and 401k match yes. Health benefits are awesome. RSUs could be better. Adobe can be stingy there
      Jul 24, 2018
  • Apple / Eng No Repro
    Sign on can go as high as $75k for your level
    Jul 11, 2018 5
    • Adobe Leoaugust
      OP
      They have been very stubborn in case of numbers in general
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Adobe Leoaugust
      OP
      Also I have not seen others report 75k so not sure if that is normal
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Apple / Eng No Repro
      It's possible. Really dependent on the org and hiring manager.
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Apple bingobingo
      You should be able to get 50
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Apple / Eng No Repro
      $50k is max sign on for ICT3
      Jul 12, 2018
  • Adobe Eddfyfz
    our team in Adobe tried to hire a guy from Apple as Senior Computer scientist who has 10 yoe. our offer was 190k base, 250k rsu. That guy rejected the offer because he was not happy with the TC. @OP I think the offer you got from Apple is not good. Try to negotiate the compensation with ur current manager in Adobe.
    Jul 13, 2018 2
    • He won’t have any luck negotiating. The org is shit, their budget and visibility is minimal.
      Jul 13, 2018
    • Adobe Qwerty1092
      I think he meant negotiating with Adobe for the current role.
      Jul 13, 2018
  • Elementum voPhkb
    What team is this for?
    Jul 11, 2018 2
    • Adobe Leoaugust
      OP
      IdMS
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Epsilon coldbeer
      @Leoaugust did you end up joining the idms team? I have an offer from the same team and thinking what to do.
      Apr 3
  • Amazon / Eng sadTT
    Looks really low for 10+ years of experience. How does it compare to your current TC?
    Jul 11, 2018 2
    • Adobe Leoaugust
      OP
      Compared to my total comp at Adobe it is not much raise. But if I take it over multiple years, the stock refresh that Apple gives is much more compared to what adobe gives. And also there is not concept of bonus for ICs at Adobe, but Apple does give that. So in that way, it is a good offer
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng sadTT
      Their band for IC4 has a lot of upside and your offer seems to be at the lower end. If you had competing offers you can easily bump at least 50k more. In the absence of that however ask for more anyway and then be prepared to settle for whatever they end up offering.
      Jul 11, 2018
  • Apple eLCc16
    Adobe has much better WLB and stock performance is better. You have already been a Sr computer scientists and have your own influence and credibility there why trying a completely different org that has limited career growth?
    Jul 12, 2018 0
  • Adobe Qwerty1092
    I switched from Adobe to Apple (ICT5) last year. Just want to say that the workload at Apple is a lot more compared to Adobe. Adobe has a great work life balance, flexible hours, and unlimited PTO. Something to think about. I would aim at least 30% more than what you make at Adobe to make it worth it.

    Having said that, I have no regret switching since the work is more challenging here. However, just be sure that you are ready to give up some wlb and hopefully the money makes up for it.
    Jul 11, 2018 4
    • Apple / Eng AngryCat
      Yet your blind still says Adobe. Hmmm...
      Jul 11, 2018
    • Apple aleG37
      So? I have 2 accounts...here is my Apple one.
      Jul 11, 2018
    • eBay CountNow
      Can you share your offer from Apple?
      Jul 12, 2018
    • Apple vcVg33
      What was your level at Adobe to get in at ICT5? I heard it’s nearly impossible to get in above ICT4
      Jul 12, 2018
  • Google UBdG56
    160K/4 or per year?
    Jul 11, 2018 2
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    Don’t join this org (IT). Apple pays much more if u get like a Siri ML position or something
    Jul 12, 2018 1
    • Adobe Qwerty1092
      You are assuming OP is ML. Siri ML and IDMS are completely 2 different org. I think SIRI ML is a lot harder to get in.
      Jul 12, 2018
  • Adobe Leoaugust
    OP
    I know a few people at Apple and they said that this is normal these days for ict4 at Apple. And so I was trying to figure out. Also, I have been at adobe for 10 years and so the base salary is skewed for me. And bonus and RSU are not that much compared to what I hear from outside. So for me I will get paid more at Apple than adobe, but I was not sure about how the offer is compared to market
    Jul 11, 2018 1
    • Proofpoint / Eng foodtruckj
      Take other factors into account.

      You have kids? Family? How long will your commute be? With the extra hours everyone pulls at Apple, can you work those hours and manage everything. In the end, is the extra TC worth it? If so, they take the Apple offer and live with no regrets.
      Jul 11, 2018
  • Apple OeqQ08
    I got 200k RSU at ict4 3 years ago.
    Jul 12, 2018 0
  • Cruise Automation / Other Egg joyjj
    Apple is pinching pennies on employees these days
    Jul 11, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng sadTT
    If you don’t have a competing offer then be prepared to get low balled.
    Jul 11, 2018 0