Offer review

Amazon / Eng
appp

Amazon Eng

PRE
Zillow Group
apppmore
Apr 1, 2018 28 Comments

Current: Amazon
Level: Data Engineer 2
Base: 135k
Joining bonus: 2 years in Amazon so that’s gone
RSU: 150 units ~ 225k now have 20% of it
Exp: 10 years

Offers 1
Oracle Cloud
Level: IC 4 Principal
Base: 160k
Joining bonus: 20k
RSU: 7500 units 337k over 4 yers 25% each year
TC ~ 250k if stock stays same as today for next 4 years

Offer 2
eBay
Level: MTS 1
Base: 155k
Joining bonus: 30k + 20k for 2 years
RSU: 2500 units ~ 100k over 4 years 25% each year
TC ~ 200 k if stock stays same as today for next 4 years

Offer 3
Coupang
Level: Senior Engineer
Base: 155k
Joining bonus: 30k
Options: 30k stock priced at ~ $2 over 4 years 20% on first 2 years each and 30% next 2 years each
Korean unicorn
TC ~ 170k if Coupang doesn’t go for listening else something don’t know

Need your opinion on the offers.

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TOP 28 Comments
  • Calculate tc for each one and post that too. Don’t expect the busy folks here to do that for you and give advice on top for free 🤑🤑
    Apr 1, 2018 0
  • Helpful to check http://levels.fyi
    Apr 1, 2018 2
  • eBay / Eng
    dbeudn

    eBay Eng

    PRE
    Microsoft
    dbeudnmore
    You are missing annual bonus and refreshers. At ebay you’ll get 10% bonus and 40k+ refresher
    Apr 1, 2018 1
    • eBay / Eng
      #yolo

      eBay Eng

      PRE
      Microsoft
      #yolomore
      This.
      Apr 2, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Time2chang
    Oracle
    Apr 1, 2018 2
    • Netflix Johnny5
      +1
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Amazon / Other
      $Walmart

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Microsoft
      $Walmartmore
      👍
      Apr 1, 2018
  • Amazon Sffvfj
    I’d take oracle and if you don’t like it there you can always boomerang as L6
    Apr 1, 2018 0
  • Nvidia nvsmartpm
    TC wise Oracle sounds compelling but I would choose eBay if I were you, that is if you live in South Bay and planning to buy home in San Jose if not already, enterprise vs consumer software, etc.
    Apr 1, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    appp

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    Zillow Group
    apppmore
    OP
    Why leave Amazon: my team is only adding L6s but no promo for existing L5 people in the team. Now my team has 50:50 ratio of L6:L5. If I move to another team I have to sit for 2 years again. Do you think it’s worth?
    Apr 1, 2018 4
    • Amazon RBMY63
      Did someone interested in keeping you in your current role tell you it would be 2 years? This is misinformation. We promote through L6 quarterly and current process let’s calibrated approver and portfolio follow promo candidate between managers. If you don’t know that and don’t have that stuff in progress you are not close.

      There is no reason not to promote based on current level mix. That’s asinine. Get your promo portfolio together, find a CA, find a new team if staying and getting promoted is what you want. Offers are on the table, though. You can see if they will bump your comp with that in hand.

      Also, find out comp adjustment Thursday before jumping so you have info.
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Amazon / Product
      AG032017

      Amazon Product

      PRE
      HPE, Amazon
      BIO
      Product Management, Partner Management, Developer of Network, Program Management for database appliances
      AG032017more
      RBMY63-what is a promo portfolio at Amazon? What is included? And what is a CA? Thanks much for any info.
      Apr 2, 2018
    • Amazon RBMY63
      New promo process that trialed last year and is in full effect now.

      Portfolio is essentially the data and feedback from people at or above the level to be promoted to. This is all gathered up when the document is to be written. CRs, designs, deliverables, feedback from business and tech witnesses, etc. Calibrated approver is the third layer in assuring the promo is appropriate. Your manager, your skip level, and someone calibrated to the bar outside your team (the CA) all have to agree.
      Apr 2, 2018
    • Amazon / Product
      AG032017

      Amazon Product

      PRE
      HPE, Amazon
      BIO
      Product Management, Partner Management, Developer of Network, Program Management for database appliances
      AG032017more
      Thanks much
      Apr 2, 2018
  • Oracle Hid
    Oracle no doubt. As IC4 on good review you'll get couple thousands RSU every year (vested over 4 years)
    Apr 6, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    GJss66

    Microsoft Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    GJss66more
    +1 for Oracle, unless you'd be doing something really interesting at ebay per your interests. Also, why leave amzn with 80% unvested?
    Apr 1, 2018 0
  • Amazon Sffvfj
    Location? Except for oracle you are making less in other places compared to amazon. If you are closer to DE 3 I would suggest stay at amzn.
    Apr 1, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng
      appp

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Zillow Group
      apppmore
      OP
      All of them in Seattle
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      appp

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Zillow Group
      apppmore
      OP
      My team have 50:50 ratio of L6:L5. All but 1 L6s are new addition to the team
      Apr 1, 2018
  • eBay buyitnow
    Depends on what your goal is. I can say eBay has amazing work life balance. If you need money and don’t mind putting in lots of hours you’ll want to go elsewhere. Also look at how your resume will look in two years, eBay probably isn’t as attractive as amazon.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Oracle 76gdAD
    Notice no posts from Oracle people recommending you join yet. If the money is good enough, take it. But do not expect any career growth while you are here. It’s not that kind of place.
    Apr 2, 2018 0
  • Amazon
    dhcd

    Amazon

    PRE
    Amazon
    dhcdmore
    Op - what are your skillsets?
    Apr 2, 2018 0
  • Amazon biryani100
    I would look internally within Amazon first just to see what your options are. I know many teams in Amazon are looking for L5s and L6
    Apr 1, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Skyped
    Oracle is the only one with more TC and that's assuming a flat stock price. I would take the 10% bet on AMZN out performing ORCL over the next two years.

    The real question is when and how big is your refresh? That will tell you if you should stay or go, but you have 2 years. I wouldn't bail early for less than 25%+.
    Apr 1, 2018 0
  • Netflix Gghhjjkk
    Stay at amazon change teams look internally
    Apr 1, 2018 0
  • +1 why leave amazon with so much invested equity?
    Apr 1, 2018 0