Okay to block opportunities for male students just so female students get the chance in tech?

Yahoo aglose
Apr 10 73 Comments

Background: This itatechchallenge.com used to be for every student (I was in the top 5 winners in one of the previous years). There used to be both male and female students among the finalists. This is a big event in the midwest. You would get interviews for internships and jobs because you made it to the final round, and you get to interact with the hiring managers of 30+ companies which sponsored the tech challenge event.

Now, this is strictly for female students. It is so demoralizing for male students in the midwest. And the current description says - "competition for current female-identifying students in the U.S."

Okay to block opportunities for male students just so female students get the chance in tech?
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  • Facebook hte668
    🙄 boohoo. If you don't like it, tell the organisers instead of whining about it anonymously.
    Apr 10 16
    • Facebook hte668
      Must be! Share an example and I'll go tell them to stop?

      You don't have to be a sjw to get hurt, it's okay to talk about your feelings! Otherwise they come out sideways, calling strangers on the internet names in incoherent rants, for example.

      Why do you hate women so much? Is this prejudice against women the reason you're ex-fb?
      Apr 10
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      Lol only SJWs get offended over everything!
      Most rational people know words are not weapons —they can’t hurt.

      I am prejudiced against sexists. And you’ve already made it clear you’re one.
      Apr 11
    • Facebook hte668
      🙄
      Guess you couldn't find an example of women whining on here.
      (Also, you did a great job of not getting all offended and emotional 👌).
      Apr 11
    • Yahoo aglose
      OP
      https://www.teamblind.com/article/AS6od1o7 female whining is a universal truth. If you need more example, search on blind and maybe more specifically at https://www.teamblind.com/articles/Women-in-Tech, also outside of blind there are many historical proofs of whining in both genders feel free to look around yourself or search on the internet.
      Apr 11
    • Facebook hte668
      Aglose, she's asking a question? Not just whining. She's asking for advice or suggestions. What are you asking for? Oh. Just sympathy.

      Obviously I don't think whining is somehow confined to men. I told ex-fb that I would happily post the same thing on a woman's post if it was also just for sympathy because he thought I was only saying that because you were a man. That's ex-fbs bias, not mine.I'm happy to tell everyone to get off their asses instead of just complaining.

      My suggestion is perfectly valid regardless of gender and had nothing to do with you being a man.
      Apr 11
  • Facebook / Creative
    dapperdad

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    People, projects, pay, then place. In that order.
    dapperdadmore
    More insecurity for insecure men. Secure men would see this as a plus.
    Apr 10 16
    • Yahoo aglose
      OP
      I see the equality point in @kfsrivd comments. Changing a co-ed competition to female students only (and no male students specific separate competition) is a strong signal of male oppression and ripping them (here, male students) of one more opportunity to shine based on merit. If this restriction change would have been from co-ed to male students only, it would have been under political burn. It's okay if you think any form of male oppression is fine. In that case, we do not have anything to discuss.
      Apr 11
    • Square / Eng SQ
      Love the white night logic in here. "X was discriminated against, so who cares if Y is being discriminated against".

      Discrimination has no place, period. And ironically enough, people who are okay with this are discriminating against women. You're promoting the idea that women need extra help against men. So you're every bit as sexist and disgusting as those you're trying to protect "fragile girls" from.
      Apr 11
    • Facebook / Creative
      dapperdad

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      Having an event that promote the career welfare of a historically oppressed group is not oppression of the oppressing group, c’mon on. We, grown men, should support this move and kick out all these tech bros that got in through their fraternizing instead of their talent. Women, just like men, can be vicious and problematic just like anyone so it’s not like they get a free pass. But if you get a head start and think that starting on the same line is unfair, then you suck and should gtfo.
      Apr 11
    • Facebook hte668
      🙄 I think there are a lot of assumptions going on here.
      For starters, what did the organisation say about why they made this change? At the moment it's all hearsay.
      Op, what were you looking for out of this post?
      Op, what other opportunities are there in that part of America? Is this hackathon really that big of a deal?

      And then, again, if you don't like this, do something. Write an email to them. Choose not to support their business, etc.

      I'm not a fan of things done all special for women, because I agree it sends a poor message and doesn't solve the problem long term. But there is a pipeline problem (it's not the only problem though). If you look at stats, women drop off at every stage. I can understand why some companies do this, it's easier than fixing the socioeconomic reasons minorities leave tech.. I'm pretty sure if you had a better idea of how to increase representation, people would definitely do that.

      Every thread like this is just so full of self pity. Okay, you don't like this, it feels unfair, so what are you going to do about it?
      Apr 11
    • Facebook hte668
      Do the people against this agree there's an issue with representation of women in tech? Or are people like @ex-fb and believe that women aren't any good at engineering? Or that sexism in tech is a myth, etc etc etc.
      Because if the latter is the case, then that's the issue, not some hackathon. And nothing that anyone says or does will change your narrative of somehow being in the majority, in all the roles of power aaaand somehow still being oppressed.
      Apr 11
  • Dropbox systest
    Just identify as female. They can’t stop you in the current climate
    Apr 10 1
    • Dropbox systest
      Also, this is a reason why these no-name contests don’t hold a candle to Topcoder/Codeforces/Google Code Jam. Let them Kaepernick themselves to death.
      Apr 10
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Blissey

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    For every 10 guys in CS there is 1 women and it’s the fastest growing occupation according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. There are more jobs than skilled people. If you are an American, you should be more worried about the number of foreigners competing for those jobs.
    Apr 10 5
    • Uber / Eng Trigger
      If u have brains u should be worried about those jobs getting out of America next
      Apr 10
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Blissey

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      Been hearing this all my life. I don’t see FANGMA moving their HQs anytime soon do you? In fact most of them are expanding their HQ campus.
      Apr 10
    • Oracle alwzangry
      Most sustainable tech businesses have a huge presence overseas. HQs are where the most board members live.
      Apr 10
    • Dropbox systest
      HQ gets to develop new products. KTLO and maintenance is outsourced.
      Apr 10
    • Google / Eng
      gooooogley

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      I'm keeping expenses low so when my job goes to China I won't feel suddenly poor :)
      Apr 23
  • Facebook hte668
    It looks like 4 companies sponsor this event. None of them well known. I think op may be lying about what a seminal event this is.
    Wonder why... This is just outage farming to confirm his existing narratives.
    Apr 11 5
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      Fighting against sexism is a noble pursuit, no matter how big or small the event is.
      The organisers are insulting women by implying that they can’t compete with women.
      And it could very well have some weight in the mid west.
      Apr 12
    • Yahoo aglose
      OP
      If you check the list of sponsors and hiring companies in the past events, there have been 30+ such participating companies. Lets not trash talk into blaming if you do not know anything about midwest universities and tech events. If I had to trash talk like you, I could have also said - since the time this event changed from co-ed to female students only, only 4 out of 30+ historically visiting companies showed interest because they know there's not going to be true talent this year in this female students only restricted competition.
      Apr 12
    • Facebook hte668
      Aglose, if that's true, then look! Market conditions! Solving this for you. My question remains, what do you want out of this post other than sympathy?

      And exfb, you've shown your agenda above, don't pretend concern for women's wellbeing.
      Apr 12
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      My agenda is very clear fighting against sexism
      Apr 12
    • Facebook hte668
      Lol. if by sexism you mean your implications that women aren't good engineers, then sure.
      Apr 12
  • Tesla shbdbdien
    Sexism.
    Apr 10 0
  • Amazon miklew
    I think something to note here is when they are doing these things. I’m fine with women only conferences in the corporate world because everyone is already at the same landing place.

    It’s been a while since I was a student, but I would be pretty upset I’m being denied a learning and networking opportunity just because of my gender. And this is even worse due to the fact that it was once coed.
    Apr 10 0
  • LinkedIn ex-fb
    I support the move. Women too must have a chance to win competitions!
    Apr 10 2
    • Facebook KickassE5
      Lol
      Apr 11
    • Tesla shbdbdien
      Omg. Win by excluding others 😆? Either you’re stupid or women more stupid than men
      Apr 11
  • Oracle alwzangry
    Identity politics really fucked up everything for the millennials. Gen Z seems to see this and getting out of it - they treat everyone equally without prejudice or hatred. It's a matter of an election or two before millennials and older people realize that it doesn't work for them.
    Apr 10 0
  • Amazon NMJO05
    Are you kidding me? It’s not like your career is over. All they did was create an avenue for women in tech. I bet 90% of FAANG workers didn’t get their job through this anyway. Go to ANY hackathon and it’s bound to be male dominated anyway. These things were already serving men.
    Apr 12 8
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      Why don’t we start with affirmative action for the NBA?
      Apr 12
    • Amazon NMJO05
      Seriously? The NBA is such a cherrypicked example. The topic is tech, which is generally non inclusive, and you pick one of the very few examples (which has historically been due to large racist undertones) that POC are more represented in? You’re just as bad as the climate change deniers that point to a particle of snow falling.
      Apr 13
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      You want affirmative action where it favors your agenda. lol
      And I don’t believe the gender difference in tech is due to oppression. The number of applicants is proportional to gender representation
      Apr 14
    • Amazon NMJO05
      No it’s not. Obviously opportunities for women encourage women to study CS. It’s also encouraging when you feel like you fit in. School programs severely lack representation for women.
      Apr 14
    • Amazon NMJO05
      Also, of course we want to take action where it matters. This includes leadership roles, tech jobs, etc. what’s wrong with that?
      Apr 14
  • LinkedIn ex-fb
    Op, you are a moron.
    There is a hint in your post. The competition is for female IDENTIFYING students!
    You know what you need to do to participate.
    Apr 10 2
    • Yahoo aglose
      OP
      I have respect for my gender identity as much as I respect others. It's okay if you do not respect your own gender identity, and you are willing to go down the path of faking yourself as a female-identifying student. Usually, you need to show ID proof to register and participate. Good luck with the fraud.
      Apr 11
    • Dropbox systest
      In California, you can get that ID easily. Why respect the system, when it clearly doesn’t respect you?
      Apr 11
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Blissey

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    If its not the (ACM) International Collegiate Programming Contest it’s not big enough! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Collegiate_Programming_Contest
    Apr 12 2
    • Yahoo aglose
      OP
      True. But small things matter! It doesn't always have to be a worldwide or international event. Repeat such actions multiple times, it will soon become a new normal. This is not equality. Why block opportunities for male students, and why male oppression is socially and politically acceptable? This event, based in Chicago, is big enough to promote tech in the midwest. I always lived in the midwest. This event in the past used to be important for all the tech university students in midwest.
      Apr 12
    • Facebook hte668
      Hypothetical: what if the culture bred by some male students blocked female students? Hypothetical remember, is that fair?
      Apr 12
  • New
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    I would suggest you to contact the organizers and ask them to create 2 separate events (1 for men and 1 for women) so everyone will be included and you get the top talent from both genders. .
    Apr 10 3
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      Just identify as Female
      Apr 10
    • New
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      Lying will get him into the contest, it won't solve the core issue.
      Apr 11
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      It will if everyone does the same
      Apr 11