Promo to Mgr, Salary Negotiation

Philips qwertie👑
Oct 4 17 Comments

I am being promoted from an engineering individual contributor to an engineering manager with a staff of three to four engineers supporting new product development projects in medical devices.

Current salary is $103K. Based on PayScale and conversation with recruiters, typical base for this role is $125-140K. I asked my manager (who is fully supportive of my promo) for a competitive assessment; manager agreed, but said this was also something that we don't typically negotiate on.

In my mind, this is a new job with hugely increased responsibilities, and I should be paid based on industry standards for the role/my location/my internal equity (established high performer).

Seeking advice on how to proceed with salary negotiation. Am I unreasonable for pushing for more?

Edits:

Located in San Diego, CA

I have 7 years engineering experience. It isn't a question of if the promo is happening, it is locked in. I will be responsible for resource allocations, supporting 4-5 projects in addition to my own 2 projects, performance reviews, hiring/firing, coaching & development.

A manager also vacated a position back in June of this year, and I have took on all of his work including managing his resources. It's my soft opening into management. Thus far, I have gotten great feedback. Business has given me a spot bonus due to increase in workload.

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TOP 17 Comments
  • Zendesk ZenDiagram
    In my experience most companies won't hire you into manager role until you have a few years under your belt. So even if that's market rate you might have trouble getting it if you start looking.

    That said it doesn't hurt to try, but I think your best chance for comp is crushing it with the new products and start getting performance bonuses, PSUs, etc. If not after that use the success story to get a job in a year or two with some solid wins on your resume.
    Oct 4 0
  • Philips qwertie👑
    OP
    I have 7 years engineering experience. It isn't a question of if the promo is happening, it is locked in. I will be responsible for resource allocations, supporting 4-5 projects in addition to my own 2 projects, performance reviews, hiring/firing, coaching & development.
    Oct 4 7
    • Zendesk ZenDiagram
      You don't have much leverage here. You can't actually get a manager job elsewhere if you don't have any experience yet. Also usually when promos come around the budget has already been set.
      Oct 4
    • Seems odd you wouldn’t have any experience one day and the next day be expected to do all that. If I was hiring for that position I wouldn’t hire someone with no experience ever managing a team.
      Oct 4
    • SCE / Mgmt ThatGuy82
      Does your company post internal salary ranges? Some companies post salary ranges for jobs so you can judge where exactly you are in the grand scheme of things and negotiate accordingly
      Oct 4
    • SCE / Mgmt ThatGuy82
      @Zume it really depends. He does have 7 years engineering experience, which may include managing small project teams. You can easily translate that experience into a manager role. People were not just born managers. You have to start somewhere
      Oct 4
    • Ya and I asked him if he had experience related. He said none. How isolated and low level of work would he have to have been doing without any oversight of other people? Then just promote to a job that has full responsibility of two projects and supporting another 4-5? Seems like a major jump!
      Oct 4
  • The Krazy Coupon Lady / Eng ${user.id}
    You need another offer to get a raise
    Oct 4 2
    • Schneider Electric %04
      Most likely, it won’t help much, but will only hurt, cuz once he shows or even just mentions a competing offer, it’ll automatically raise a red flag and a backfill hiring will begin to “replace an employee whom we can’t trust anymore”
      Oct 4
    • The Krazy Coupon Lady / Eng ${user.id}
      Not in my experience, instead it will reveal if the company cares about retaining u
      Oct 4
  • Microsoft xjr1101
    Companies usually don't give raises when you change from IC to Mgr, even if you're underpaid for your level. To get a fairer compensation, you usually have to get an offer from another company and say you're going to leave with the full intention of leaving. If they match, good, if not, continue your career elsewhere.

    Personally, I would just just leave and not even try to get my company to match.
    Oct 5 0
  • Schneider Electric %04
    You have pretty much zero leverage, so the company can offer you close to no real increase and you will still accept a promotion. So why to negotiate with you? Second, the objective of HR is to keep the budget flat, any significant increases happen only if you’re a highly valuable employee (high performance and high potential) with a high retention risk. Finally, only your new hiring manager + his/her boss can fight for a real increase for you, but they need strong arguments in their hands and even stronger motivation to do so.
    Oct 4 0
  • Symantec GoRams
    Unless you do hands-on coding, the work you are going to remains same. What kind of increase in responsibilities are you seeing ?
    Oct 4 1
    • SCE / Mgmt ThatGuy82
      Pretty sure this is hardware. And if it is a Manager role, the responsibility increase is managing people
      Oct 4
  • Uber ffku
    City?
    Oct 4 0

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