Quarter million Indian on H1B?

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  • Oracle not_larry
    Why is this news? Indians love America. Don’t you know that already?
    Feb 825
    • Microsoft HURi57
      I agree that the problem is complicated. However, on the other hand several countries get around this problem with a points based merit based system. At the end of the day, it's the US that is losing on skill by having quotas. Funnily enough, it reminds me of caste based quotas in India which contributes to dilution of talent. Same shit, different country.

      India has no incentive to solve this problem. If Indian engineers can't come here, they will likely benefit from some of them choosing to stay behind. If the US wants the world's best, I doubt that country based quotas will get them there. Ultimately, to me it's clear that the US doesn't want the world's best. If the US wants the best, it's on them to fix it. Not India. Why on Earth would India want to make sure the best in their country can get to the US?
      Feb 8
    • Amazon Hchsirn
      While you know you are not good, why do you keep coming?
      Feb 8
    • Microsoft HURi57
      And there goes Hchsirn again. Please frame a coherent, intelligent argument if you expect me to address it. Not this third grade stuff.
      Feb 8
    • Amazon 0C
      The points based systems are somewhat better then what we have now but honestly not THAT different.

      We already have a tiered system with eb1, eb2, and eb3 giving you different priority based on education and experience. A points system is just a more granular version with perhaps some improved factors. EB1 is already effectively outside the country cap and so in that sense we are already getting the most meritorious through EB1, and eb2/eb3 are by definition queues full of those who are NOT the best.

      Points are also totally gameable.

      For example, is an additional degree really a good proxy for merit? Does it really mean you are smarter or more capable? Or does it just mean you were willing to trade two years of your life to get extra points for US immigration? I suspect quite a lot of people enroll in these programs only because they want an immigration benefit and not because they were any smarter than others who just went to work. What it's really measuring in the case is how badly they want to come to the US.

      To me that's not merit.

      So then you look at salary and in an unbiased world that may be merit, but if you make immigration depend on it that creates some weird incentives. First, you will exclude nurses who we arguably need way more than we need another software engineer. Second, it's just gameable: pay a $50k kickback to get another $30k in comp.

      I do think points is an improvement over just having three tiers. I don't think it's enough of an improvement to allow us to drop the caps, which currently are the ONLY thing currently buffering the system from horrific abuse.
      Feb 8
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Good points. My only real nitpick is about the eb1/eb2/eb3 argument. While yes, you are technically right that the 'best' can utilize this method, all you've really done is segregated the extraordinary individuals from everyone else. So essentially you've put all the other people - the extremely talented, skilled folks who aren't eb1 in the same bucket as the average people who are seeking an immigration benefit. That doesn't quite address filling the tens of thousands of jobs with the best available individuals from around the world.

      At the end of the day, while I understand where you're coming from, I can't say I will ever be convinced that a cap/quota based on a person's country of birth makes sense when you are looking for the best available individuals for a job.
      Feb 8
    • Microsoft / EngWwjjwjsh
      Merit based is very subjective and it can be abused as well. A country with more immigrants in specific area can benefit from networking effect. For example, it is widely known that some Indians hire and promote Indians primarily. This practice even displaces local people and make the hiring process favor the majority (Indians) even more. As a result, quality of engineers would be inferior to other groups which had to go through much tougher process.

      Also, how do you measure the merit? One can think America will benefit if they bring German and Japanese engineers in auto industry. They would also think of bringing more engineers from Finland, Norway, England, Korea and Taiwan than India judging based on the revenue and profit of their home grown companies. Or if assimilation and knowing US culture are important, the merit should weigh on people who got their education in US high school and undergraduate programs.

      If we eliminate the quota and bring everyone that is qualified, Americans will lose jobs over to hardworking immigrants. Will they welcome immigrants then? How about brain drain happening in India? Why can’t India have Satya and Sundar? Immigration is not a simple thing. If US goes by merit system that favors Indians, basically Indians will try every effort to come to US and no one will care about India. It will continue remained as developing country with population doubling every couple decades. Competition for Indians thus will only increase. Is this really fair? Fair to whom? Do we want more immigrants who just want to run away from their home country? Are they good citizens? Country quota is far from perfect but it ensures such problems don’t get bigger.

      More Indian immigration with merit based will be insult to Indians remained in India as it benefits the upper middle class people (privileged people) and throw away the people at disadvantage (majority actuality).
      Feb 9
    • Microsoft Micr0s0ft
      I've never heard about Indians hiring Indians primarily. And I strongly disagree with your point of view. I feel really sad working with you in the same company. Perhaps you vote for Trump and also hate gays, women and people of color.
      Feb 9
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Same as the assertion that white people hire white people. People are going to make whatever argument suits their narrative.
      Feb 9
    • Amazon freesocty
      Truth - Indians only hire Indians. Many Amazon teams’ leaders were shipped from the Indian office. Then the Indian leaders hired directly from India, issued out tons of international relocation packages, and increased their comps by 5 times. Ultimately, the teams became all Indian and people of other races stayed away from these teams. We all know their working efficiency. They love kissing asses more than engineering. I wish the money could have been used to increase the comp and steal the top talents from Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech who went to Google and FB eventually.

      I heard similar patterns in Microsoft and Google too.
      Feb 9
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Truth - white people only hire white people. I heard similar patterns in Amazon and Facebook too.
      Feb 9
  • Facebook job-huntin
    Indians are the only people who don’t get GC within a few years, so they are the only people who need H1B extensions. This just proves that Indians here have more hard time than other legal immigrants
    Feb 874
    • Amazon Hoobastank
      🍿
      Feb 10
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Amazon heyyeh
      ^ this is what happens when you speak truth, these kinds of guys get triggered
      Feb 11
    • Facebook highfive
      I can understand what it must be like to be a retar$ like you, I empathize for you. Please go to facilities that will take care of you, and work on making you understand things a little better.

      Please don’t hurt these normal people on blind, they aren’t your match. It should be retar$ vs retar$

      I pray to god for your mental illness.
      Feb 11
    • Facebook highfive
      The other two guys explained you their logic nice and clear, over and over again. But you were incapable of understanding them and paraphrased your dumb racist hypothesis over and over again.

      I wish blind had an IQ test with some reasonable cutoff, that would have kept morons like you at bay.
      Feb 11
    • Amazon heyyeh
      There's no logic here, only denial.

      Bunch of people who push this narrative that all their problems are caused by Americans don't like hearing the truth.

      The India backlog was totally reasonable before the body shops ramped up and started spamming apps after AC21.

      If they got shut down tomorrow and their spam cleared from the queue you'd have a greencard in a couple years. Really.

      This is very clearly a made in India problem. The country cap is unfair but it's not what's causing this.
      Feb 11
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Amazon heyyeh
      ^ Can't dispute anything, so posts childish insults.
      Feb 11
    • Facebook highfive
      Don’t worry, a few shocks to the brain and you’ll stop running that b**** mouth. You seem desperate to get zapped.
      Feb 12
    • Amazon heyyeh
      ^ All sputter. No content.

      To recap, the root cause of the long queue is the many low quality applications put in by Indian consulting firms, a Made in India problem that is the result of an intentional Indian government economic plan. This includes the many low quality schools feeding those body shops, which India wrongly accredited.

      The problem and solution are in India and Indian voters need to deal with it.

      You won't dispute this because it's an obvious and we'll known fact, so you will get frustrated and hurl insults, since this destroys your narrative blaming Americans.

      That's your way of conceding the point: hurling childish insults because no facts agree with you.
      Feb 12
  • Microsoft Micr0s0ft
    What's wrong with this? This only means that Indians are smart and hard-working. This is what The United States needs. Local people is lazy trash sitting on welfare and doing drugs.
    Feb 83
    • Microsoft / EngWwjjwjsh
      US doesn’t need discriminating and snubbing people who don’t have empathy towards disadvantaged people. Perhaps as a skilled temporary employee but not as a citizen. I will take lazy people over this type.
      Feb 8
    • New / Engleet4job
      I agree on your first part that many Indians are hardworking and smart. However, success is also relative to the opportunities you received during the span of your life. Homeless or disadvantaged people may have an tragic incident that prevent them from having a good life. So please have a heart and stop your attitude that "local people are lazy trash stting on welfare and doing drugs". It's a pretty big and arrogant statement.

      Although you may be an immigrant, but it doesn't translate that you must be poorer or having less opportunities than some local people here.

      Source: I am an immigrant.
      Feb 8
    • New Egypt80
      I thought that would be India that needed smart and hardworking Indians..?
      Feb 10
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Google TcYaBahar?
      Racist spotted. Get well soon 🙏
      Feb 8
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Micro Focus chichad
      If you face so much racism here why are you in this country?
      Feb 8
    • Apple Hansel2
      I like the assumption that “oh since I’ve faced so much shit, I’ve now earned the right to dispense at least as much”
      That’s now how it works. It doesn’t matter if you are fucking Rosa parks or Gandhi - if you spew racist shit, you WILL get called out for it.
      Feb 8
    • Google TcYaBahar?
      Someone who claim to face racism on one hand and spews hatred on other people is nothing but a hypocrite racist themselves. I hope you get over your jealousy towards Indians even if they are dominating your ass in US or worldwide. You think Hispanic don't hate the immigration system? "BUILD THAT WALL"? Shitole countries? "Mexicans bring crime"? Would you leave opportunites here to go elsewhere?
      Feb 8
    • Amazon amazoning
      @spheres I think I saw you on tv at the kkk March. They said they arnt racist as well. Get well soon I pray for you
      Feb 8
  • Amazon Hoobastank
    Seriously? Only 250k? How much some people bit,ch and complain about Indians I thought you're surrounded by millions of them!!
    Man up, snowflakes!
    Feb 86
    • Google GuSp36
      it’s more. they then use chain migration to bring in family and then habe kids and st that point it’s millions
      Feb 8
    • Kemper evil_corp
      I guess their kids end up stealing American playtime at the daycare.
      Feb 8
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Their kids end up doing very well in school and generally get top grades and jobs making their American counterparts' kids look not so good in comparison.
      Feb 8
    • Amazon Hoobastank
      Isn't that modern survival of the fittest?
      Feb 8
    • Microsoft HURi57
      It is. But they don't think they'll survive, which is why they get all angsty about foreigners.
      Feb 8
    • Amazon Hoobastank
      It used to be "Mexicans are stealing our jobs" in my time. As far as I can tell, jobs are still safe and non-stolen 😎
      Feb 8
  • Amazon 0C
    Was supposed to be capped at 85k
    Feb 811
    • Amazon 0C
      Only because of AC21/i140 abuse
      Feb 8
    • Oracle not_larry
      Following the law is not abuse. Change the law if you don’t like these many Indians. They will all move to Canada or Australia. Guaranteed. They are not going to go illegal.
      Feb 8
    • Amazon 0C
      Law never expected every h1b holder to apply i140. It's a denial of service attack on the h1b system as on the greencard system.
      Feb 8
    • Oracle not_larry
      Then take corrective actions. And Indians on H1B will respond accordingly.
      Feb 8
    • Amazon 0C
      And why are 70% of the h1b's going to a country with only 17% of the world's population? That's really a denial of service. People in other industries and from other countries are being blocked from using the program by this denial of service attack.
      Feb 8
    • Oracle not_larry
      It’s just free market in action. Indians like to come to America, US companies like to hire Indians. Both groups are free to choose other options.
      Feb 8
    • Amazon 0C
      Or maybe it's the visa industry in India spamming multiple applications per person and then getting i140 for people who don't even expect to have greencard.

      It's abuse. It may be legal. Buy it's abuse.
      Feb 8
    • Oracle not_larry
      There’s no “visa industry” in India. It’s just supply and demand. India has a large population of English speaking engineers. And there’s a better life in America and lot of tech jobs. US companies like immigrants because they work hard and are less entitled in general. The “abuse” you are talking about is people finding a way to deal with this legally.
      Feb 8
    • Amazon 0C
      No, it's spam. Visa industry in industry submits five or ten applications per person. Even the school system is set up to produce more people than the Indian system can absorb with the goal of using that h1b and l1 abuse to send them overseas.

      There is demand in the US for nurses and doctors but theyare shut out of the system by the aggressive Indian abuse.

      Weneed to cap h1b proportional to population. That will also fix the greencard wait problem as well.
      Feb 8
    • Oracle not_larry
      Ok.
      Feb 8
  • Yahoo mDli26
    They keep on renewing h1s as GC isn’t an option.
    Feb 81
    • New inmann
      To clarify, because many are in GC queue so they have to keep renewing H1B. Technically the EB2 queue is almost 10 years so there you go almost 10 years of H1B Indian folks (or portion of that that stayed still)
      Feb 8
  • Amazon BfRx68
    Well this is pretty much the world we live in! Two people with different opinions and perspectives and no ones willing to budge after a long discussion. And this is a relatively small issue. If you ask me, this is a good sign that Humanity is doomed!
    Feb 91
    • Amazon Hoobastank
      I've been hoping for a meteor before we ruined the planet forever, but that nuclear WW3 now sounds like a mighty good solution. Humanity is cancer.
      Feb 10
  • New / Eng
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    I hate these niggas more than the Nazis.
    罪人more
    I wonder who’s behind these posts? 🤔
    Feb 80
  • New ussI58
    Isn’t it faster to marry an American than waiting 10 years for green card?
    Feb 102
    • Amazon Hoobastank
      Yes, it is. Especially since natives of any given country just can't wait to marry immigrants.
      Feb 10
    • Facebook TYsa84
      Yes, if you're in love with an American. I wont spoil my personal life for green card
      Feb 11
  • Vlocity FTJU
    @0C one employer can only file for one h1 per person. Also, you mean to say the whole education system in India is designed to send people outside the country?
    I don't think you know how the system works. There are so many doctors and nurses on h1 from India. H1b applications for doctors are usually cap exempt.
    Feb 81
    • Amazon 0C
      The body shops create multiple entities and file multiple visas. They also file ten applications expecting only some to be approved.

      It's really bad.

      And yeah, the Indian government knows that it is graduating more students than it needs and has done nothing about that, so the solution to "not enough opportunity in India" is something India should fix by reducing the number of schools while increasing the local opportunity.

      H1b applications by nurses are not cap exempt and there are many other industries besides tech that can benefit from foreign workers.
      Feb 8
  • New / Consultant
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    NewConsultant

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    weepmore
    US population - 330 Million,
    India population - 1.8 Billion.
    even if you trim the applications by 10% as cream of the crop you have 180 million and thats half the US population. Why are you surprised that Indians are getting more visas. they just have more applications. No one is restricting other countries to apply.
    Feb 210
  • New / Consultant
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    NewConsultant

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    weepmore
    I think you wanted to say a quater of a million. else it looks 250 million.
    Feb 210

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