I'm a legal immigrant living in California and have no idea why Democrats are pushing for decriminalizing illegal immigration. I t is illegal, it's in the name. It hurts the US citizens by literally keeping wages low. As compared to legal immigrants, employers are not bound to provide comparable wages. Why provide free Medicare to illegals ? I am all for humane treatment and against the border concentration camps. I completely support asylum cases, but supporting illegal immigration just doesn't make sense. Why support illegal immigration by providing them licenses etc. ? Help me understand your perspective!
If you are gonna say vote bank politics, then it's much better you support legal immigration and path to citizenship. You would have educated and wealthy by your side; who might donate to your future campaigns
Because this great country was founded on illegal immigration. Because in keeping wages down, they make goods cheap. Because they work hard, and that is a good thing for the economy if you use your common sense.
It was founded on legal immigration with the processing at Ellis Island n all ? Is that what you were implying? Sure, if that's the argument, then it's cheap if you let them be illegal rather than legalizing the illegal path and putting more stress on the system. Let them remain illegals then /s ?
It wasn’t a thing until the 80s really
They want a new voting block now that they have abandoned blue collar workers.
Exactly, it also helps to having a more diverse population which is easier to pit against each other to prevent them uniting to actually challenge elite interest
First of all the point is to make it legal for them to come in and work, give them a path to legally enter. That is fundamentally lacking. They do not keep wages low, data shows that if the folks coming across the border don’t take up the low paying jobs, on one else wants those jobs. Americans refuse those jobs not because of pay but because of the nature of the jobs and how labor intensive they are. American Farmers who depend on this labor force have lost money because of this administration and as a result have had losses because they are unable to find Americans to do these jobs. This labor force is vital to the US economy. Second thing, unless you have a social security number you cannot get Medicare. Medicare is so fucked up that people who have all the documentation find it difficult to get benefits. So, illegal immigrants do not get Medicare, that is a myth. It is not a “bleeding heart” thing, the so called “illegal immigrants” contribute more to the economy than 45 ever has or ever will.
The latest democratic discussions ended up having a poll among the candidates to check who would support medicare for the illegals, so that's where the question came from. I get the point that we need a path to get the illegals actually immigrate legally. So why no create that path and have them apply through the system rather than encouraging and supporting illegals to come here through other means.
They want them in the country now having children who will get birthright citizenship. They know, based on demographics, the children will likely vote Democrat. That’s really all there is to it. Don’t try to overthink.
If illegal immigration is decriminalized doesn't that make it not illegal by definition? And I think all illegals should be kicked out And then immediately come back in when we create a free labor movement (just to work, not citizenship) zone with all of North America
If you think it keeps the wages low, OP, ask the many Republican-owned mega farms/agribusinesses how and why they have so many workers who aren’t legal and why they never used E-verify and then act surprised when the raids uncover illegal immigrants. If the U.S. government fined and jailed the owners of agricultural-related companies that didn’t E-verify, which would reveal illegal status, there’d be lots of owners and farmers in jail.
If we need farm workers then we should give work visas like New Zealand does. Tolerance for illegal conduct is against the rule of law on which this country is built. Dems should stop appealing to emotions here. Make it fair for everybody and don’t reward the lawbreakers.
We do have work visas, but everyone is used to getting so so much more
Past is past. Present is present. Hundreds years ago North America has much higher economic capacity (land/natural resources) and the immigrants were all puritans who would work hard for survival with no one to rob. Today it's basically impossible to give millions of under-educated immigrants jobs or lands to feed themselves, and economicly speaking crime is their only choice.
Why would a major political party support this crime ?
Because the donor class that funds both parties wants it. More profit for them with low wage exploitable labor. The taxpayers get to fund the social safety net to prop them up. Huge win if you own a slaughtering house
Democrats don’t support illegal immigration, that would be a dumb policy. They just don’t want to throw people in jail and separate them from their families over it, keep it a civil violation like a speeding ticket. All the sanctuary city and drivers license stuff is just about not turning the country into a police state where we check your papers before you can do anything and kick you out if they are not in order.
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