Rank in increasing order of bar of software engineer hiring

Undisclosed gcgc
Oct 28, 2018 39 Comments

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  • Xperi Kababadaia
    If Amazon has such a low hiring bar how comes it is a successful FANG company? Does Google and others alike really need to keep the bar so high? If they lowered the bar they would find engineers much easier (and cheaper too). Am I missing something?
    Oct 28, 2018 13
    • Undisclosed Ceetlode
      It absolutely means _something_ - at minimum, that a company's doing well financially. Even if Amazon's hiring bar is comparatively lower than other FAANGs, they still have enough money that they can compete with them for strong engineers.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Facebook Foofoofoo
      Amazon is a retailer, f/g are advertising firms. Very different business models and requirements to be successful
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Be careful about idealizing Google. The infrastructure is so enormous and the change is so rapid that I consider Google to be the largest plumbing company in the world. You have phds from top 10 schools doing pipefitting and they are measured with how many pipes per hour they can connect. The top interview question at Google should be, "Can you do boring things for years in a row without complaining or slowing down?"
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Undisclosed jXQC85
      Can you give example of boring work?
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Update to the latest content distribution system (there are 7). Change storage from disk to flash. Change flash from local flash to Colossus Flash. Change monitoring system from type A to type B to type C. Change build system from command line to rapid. Change rollout system from command line to Sisyphus. Now get rid of Sisyphus because it's 3 years old and deploy annealing. Change Logging System from log saver to latest shiny. Implement new security infrastructure. Now Implement new European security infrastructure. Overall functional increase in software is 0 for all this churn. You are doing these make work changes so people on other teams can get promoted for launching their not-better software.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Apple FhpG28
      @goodgulf - was your reply pertaining to Google or was it related to Amazon ?
      Oct 28, 2018
    • All these make work projects are Google. It's where enthusiasm for software goes to die!
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Undisclosed iVX372
      Sounds pretty good to me. It sounds much more interesting than being a web dev in cookie cutter open source tech.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Google loveyoumom
      The thing that makes it exciting is scale and impact
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Undisclosed ebarbop
      Amzn might be considered ezier relatively speaking but for most people it's still a high bar. Also they have really competitive culture values and everyone working there tries pretty hard to raise the bar.
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Apple FhpG28
    Amongst the places I’ve interviewed

    Google > Facebook > LinkedIn = Apple = Uber > Microsoft > Amazon

    Algorithmically, Google was slightly harder than the rest. Facebook, Uber and Apple has similar level of questions. Microsoft and Amazon were easier.

    The difference was, Facebook gave a lot of weightage and was stricter for system design evaluation and you had to write perfect code.

    Apple had a lot of design rounds compared to others so the process felt exhausting.

    Uber felt like you could do average or bomb a part of the interview and you could still get through. That way the evaluation bar felt a little low compared to others.

    Microsoft and Amazon aren’t hard to get into if you do some leetcode as they don’t ask super hard or exciting new questions. It’s mostly a rehash of some well known questions.
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Amazon jezz besos
    This could be a poll.
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Undisclosed Byg
    In terms of difficultly of questions with the companies I’ve interviewed with, from least to most difficult:
    Bloomberg=Amazon < Apple < Facebook = Uber < Google

    Google was only slightly more difficult than Fb and Uber. They only asked leetcode and no behavioral or system design at all so I think their bar is lower in a way, but maybe their internal data proves otherwise.
    Oct 28, 2018 2
    • eBay CMark
      Are you sure you weren’t being under leveled at google? That’s pretty common, you’ll get an L4 interview while fb gives E5 interview so of course it’s easier
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Undisclosed Byg
      I’m sure Google was for L4 and Facebook was for E4. I didn’t have enough YOE for E5.
      Google doesn’t do system design for L4 candidates. It was just leetcode question after leetcode question.
      Oct 28, 2018
  • Two Sigma eFlvUK
    Don’t go to Bloomberg if you are a good sde. If you are interested in finance some places that are better include Two Sigma, Citadel, Goldman, Addepar. You also may find it hard to grow at Bloomberg because most of the people there are mediocre sdes.
    Oct 28, 2018 3
    • Undisclosed Ceetlode
      Also DE Shaw and RenTech.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Google loveyoumom
      Every good engineer at Bloomberg leaves within a couple years for a hedge fund or a tech firm (Banks get the slightly above average ones)
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Undisclosed iVX372
      Aside from Two Sigma, none of those firms seem like an upgrade over Bloomberg. You trade better or similar comp for worse WLB and much more stress at all of them. Bloomberg is filled with ex finance devs. Even if you're working with better engineers, what's the point?

      The only places that seem legitimately better than Bloomberg are Google, Square, Lyft, Airbnb, Uber, LinkedIn, Two Sigma and debatably a few other tech firms with good WLB that lack forced attrition policies. FB, Netflix, Amazon, Goldman and most hedge funds are known to have forced attrition policies and consistent 55+ hour work weeks. Why join them for pre-tax pay that is at most 30% higher, assuming competing offers are maximized?
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Airbnb Kbin
    Netflix = Google > Facebook = Uber = Apple > Microsoft > Amazon
    Oct 28, 2018 1
    • Undisclosed iVX372
      What about Airbnb?
      Oct 28, 2018
  • Expedia Ro859
    From where I’ve interviewed as an intern:

    Microsoft < Bloomberg < Google = Facebook < Airbnb < Dropbox
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Dropbox dropper
    Dropbox > google>FB>AMZN.
    Some star ups were there alongside these as well.
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Amazon firefly123
    Amazon has to fire more because they have a higher false positive rate
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • VMware ',','
    To people who post their interview difficulty rankings based on their interview experience - please confirm that you got offers, as opposed to just attended interviews. Otherwise it's not very useful - one company might give you a difficult question but allow for some leeway, another might give you something simple but expects you to write a solution immediately and with a cheerful smile. Also, your perception of your own performance might not be theirs.
    Oct 28, 2018 1
    • Undisclosed Byg
      You won’t be able to figure out the actual bar as a candidate even if people post their results.
      First, it’s always hard to tell how you did in one interview and even harder to determine if performance in multiple interviews was good enough. Most people have been surprised both ways, where they got an offer after they were sure they wouldn’t and vice versa.
      Second, reasons not related to your solving of technical questions could be why you didn’t get an offer.
      It is easy to post the difficultly of questions given by a company and compare that way though. You won’t get the bar but the difficultly of interviews at least.
      Oct 28, 2018
  • Undisclosed gcgc
    OP
    Dropbox has a higher bar than google?
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Oracle Supermusk
    Based on my experience: Google > FB > Microsoft = Apple > Bloomberg > Amazon. Offers from last 4 (not at the same time).
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • New 500k
    Netflix = Google > Facebook = Dropbox = Uber > Amazon > Apple > Microsoft
    YMMV
    Oct 30, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Satyo
    Google > Facebook > Microsoft > Amazon
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Undisclosed bowap
    I didn't find Amazon's interview process to be drastically different than Google/FBs, in some ways it was harder. May vary by team I suppose
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Undisclosed iVX372
    My experience: PayPal < Bloomberg < Uber < Airbnb < Google < Square.

    EDIT: I had onsite interviews at all of these companies, and bombed my FB phone screen. 1.5 YOE at time of interviews
    Oct 28, 2018 3
    • Undisclosed iVX372
      Dammit. Blind's < character escaping bug strikes again.

      EDIT: and now it's miraculously fixed itself
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Undisclosed iVX372
      I stupidly did not prepare with LeetCode, so I failed all but the first two companies I listed here. The Square phone screen was probably the toughest, although none of them were as difficult as the toughest problem in each of the hardest 4 onsite interviews.

      (Actually, the final extension of the Square phone screen turned out to be impossible, which I figured out after the call. Upon emailing an explanation of this to the interviewer, I was immediately requested for the onsite.)
      Oct 30, 2018
    • Undisclosed iVX372
      I'm full stack. There was one LC hard in the onsite. The rest (including phone screen) were LC medium, except for one problem in the onsite that seemed easy to me but may have been hard for others.
      Oct 30, 2018

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