Really sad: had G offer years ago, nothing now :(

Amazon alsvdoh
Jun 21 98 Comments

I made a huge mistake. 5 years ago I had an offer from G (without ANY preparation), but I went with Amazon. I was new grad and stupid. I was in a great team at Amazon, great pay (high performer, so got really good bonuses every year), great teammates and manager, great WLB, great learning, etc. Then I decided to move to a different team, just because I wanted to try something new. The manager himself came to me and asked me to join his team. I did, and that was my second mistake. After a few months I realized how terrible the management, the product and the team atmosphere was. I thought I could work it out, and stayed another month, and then they put me on dev plan. They kept the plan open-ended, no matter how much I delivered they kept adding to the plan. I started looking external and I couldn't pass G/U. I did get offers from some other companies, but honestly I didn't want to work with them the moment I met the interviewers. They were way below my average expectations.
I don't know what to do. Not allowed to switch teams while being on dev plan. Feel very sad that I had an offer from G years ago and now I failed their interview. The recruiter said the feedback was that I was extremely close to make it, because the solutions were correct and optimal but the consistent feedback from different rounds was that I was a bit slow.
I don't even know if that's something they tell everyone who they reject or not.
I just don't know what to do:(

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  • LinkedIn / Eng The zapper
    Seems you were close just try again later
    Jun 21 15
    • Tableau / Eng
      ThePlague

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      ThePlaguemore
      Apparently you are wrong 😂
      Jun 21
    • Microsoft / Data 🙈🙉🤷‍♀️w
      Yeah that's bull shit that you got that question. I've never had to write SQL
      Jun 21
    • Tableau / Eng
      ThePlague

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      ThePlaguemore
      It's bullshit that you are an engineer and don't know sql
      Jun 21
    • Right I mean, SQL is used everywhere, I’ve been in many interviews asking me to write SQL.

      I mean, there are even SQL problems on Leetcode.
      Jun 22
    • Microsoft / Data 🙈🙉🤷‍♀️w
      Well, at Microsoft we use an internal SQL like language for metrics and logging. I work on computer vision which means that databases aren't a part of my daily job 🙄
      Jun 22
  • Cisco so funny
    Try other companies. Not just G. If you are ready, get referrals.
    Jun 21 13
    • Oracle Techie00
      You have hit a wall in Amazon. Temporarily join Lyft if you have the offer. Really keep an open mind and then start your job search again in a year. If you were really close at G, you might crack it the second time.
      Jun 21
    • Amazon lpstrong
      Yeah interviewing under pressure can hurt performance. Get into a comfortable position first.
      Jun 21
    • Facebook maximum19
      Lol u are just an E4, you can’t go around declining offers like that.
      Jun 21
    • Clearstream.TV beedangs
      Wtf you should definitely go to Lyft. What was the total comp?
      Jun 21
    • Cisco so funny
      What I meant was - sometimes there are opportunities where you learn, sometimes there are opportunities where you lead. Lyft will be a great place for you to learn to lead if your opinion of yourself is correct.
      Jun 22
  • Amgen Fin4eng
    It seems like you’ve made up your mind to only work at 4-5 different companies. So then deal with the situation and tough it out.

    Otherwise try another company and realize it might only last a year if you get in and switch to google, you might learn something different, and maybe you’ll actually like it and your impact.
    Jun 21 6
    • Amgen Fin4eng
      It’s a 1 day interview, do you really think it’s representative?

      And is it really worse than spending next year on a dev plan before reinterviewing?
      Jun 21
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      I don't know :(
      Jun 21
    • Tableau / Eng
      ThePlague

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      ThePlaguemore
      Find a good team. There's no overall company level anywhere
      Jun 21
    • Amgen Fin4eng
      Are you looking for a solution or do you just want to gripe about your situation ?

      This attitude of I can’t work with these engineers at other companies and my team who aren’t up to my level and my managers suck because they don’t push back on deadlines is off putting and probably why you are on a dev plan.

      Personality and fit matters and if you act like you can’t work with others then why keep you in the team?

      Maybe working with engineers who don’t have your technical chops would allow you to function more as a leader and influencer and you’d learn and develop in other ways while still executing on meaningful work
      Jun 21
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      I don't know why I posted here. I'm just extremely sad.
      Jun 21
  • Snapchat Ralvut
    Fucking Amazon
    Jun 21 0
  • Comcast G0ku
    Are you out of your banana eating mind? Big mistake?

    $AMZN went up 486% in the last 5 years. $GOOG merely doubled.
    Jun 21 2
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      First of all, it's not just about money. Second, Amazon stock went up, yes, but Google has annual refreshers and a much better atmosphere. They don't people on dev plans because of their managers.
      Jun 21
    • Apple iCould
      I wouldn’t paint Google as all roses. Yes, there are good teams and probably on average there are more good teams at Goog than at amzn, but there are many bad teams and the likelihood of getting there is higher for the outsiders. There are teams at Google that are quite unpopular internally due to different reasons like culture, nature of work, turnover etc. Those are the teams that are staffed primarily by external candidates.
      With that, enjoy what you have. Every path is the right path. It could be you dodged a bullet by avoiding Google the first time and worked for a good team at Amazon, at least for some time. And like Comcast guy said there were advantages of staying at Amazon, you just don’t want to see them.
      Jun 21
  • Amazon Notpresent
    i’ve been there too. try again. don’t get stuck if you are unhappy w where you are. it was a good lesson. company fame, the temporary growth, “leadership” vision, free lunch, gym, these don’t count. what counts is how the company values its people, how the culture respects the talents and encourage career growth. It can’t shout out a slogan “hire and develop the best”, but in practice it puts people on hidden agenda everyday.
    Jun 21 3
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      >don't get stuck if you're unhappy.
      How?? I'm extremely unhappy at my team, but can't switch because of the dev plan. Tried to interview externally, but one of these happened:
      1. The company I like doesn't have openings in Seattle (FB, LinkedIn, Netflix)
      2. I failed the interview: G, U
      3. Although I got offers from some companies, but I don't like them (in comparison with the top ones) in terms of product, scale, level of the engineers, etc. (OCI, Lyft, etc.).
      So I am stuck and can't unstick myself:(
      Jun 21
    • Amazon Notpresent
      do u have to stay in seattle? maybe you can expand ur search.
      Jun 21
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      At the moment I can't leave to the Bay. My wife works here as well and we have kids, so really it's not easy at this stage to move (house mortgage, etc.)
      Jun 21
  • Snapchat Ralvut
    Are you on Visa?
    Jun 21 4
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      No. I am a citizen.
      Jun 21
    • Snapchat Ralvut
      Ok then there is nothing to worry about. I worked at Amazon and I am much happier here at Snap. Just take your time, prepare and apply. There are tons of good companies out there, with better pay and wlb. Worst case you get fired at Amazon, you already have experienced Amazon, time for a change. If I were you, I would quit right away.
      Jun 21
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      Quit and do what? I failed G,U
      Jun 21
    • New gw43
      Lol, wtf. I can’t take this seriously anymore
      Jun 21
  • Avanade / Consultant MohyCS
    I understand what the dev plan is. But if you’re performing very well year after year, why put you on the dev plan? I thought this was for poor performers?
    Jun 21 2
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      It's "advertised" to be for poor performers, but because Amazon gives too much power to the managers, in the bad orgs they put whoever they "think" is poor on this plan. I had several disagreements with my team and although I was the only one who met the deadlines and delivered on time, my manager still chose me to be on this plan.
      It's simply based on the manager's point of view, and not based on the documented evidence of your performance (like the code, design, operations, etc.).
      Jun 21
    • Avanade / Consultant MohyCS
      Sounds like they’re just using it to milk more results out of you guys, as if your current progress isn’t enough. Seems cancerous af.
      Jun 21
  • FIRST OF ALL — realize that you’re in a really good situation — with 5 years of experience at a FAANG. This is invaluable and will help you your entire career. Congratulations.

    Breathe.

    What you need to do is take a vacation, refresh your mind, come back and start applying to new teams within Amazon. Brush up your LC skills too — apply to *all* FAANG and unicorns. Lots more than just G/U. I hear G pay isn’t even the best anymore.
    Jun 21 4
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      I can't switch teams until I'm out of the dev plan, which seems to be never. There's no deadline for it.
      I will apply to G/U next year, but FB and Netflix don't have openings in Seattle for my level (can't move to the bay due to family, mortgage, etc.)
      What are the unicorns?
      Jun 21
    • I know U has an office in Seattle. There’s also Tableau (which is now Salesforce) and MS, all of which might pay you a lot because of your A experience.
      Jun 21
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      Yes, I already mentioned I failed U interview.
      Tableau (and Salesforce) never responded to me.
      I failed MS online assessment because it asked me to write a query in SQL! WTF? I've never mentioned it on my resume and never worked with SQL.
      Jun 21
    • Well okay, from the looks of it, you don’t want to relocate to the Bay Area to work at FB/Netflix/Apple, can’t work at any other Tier 1 in Seattle, and don’t want to settle for a Tier 2 like Stripe.

      So then...only option as I see it is to find another team within Amazon. This time, make sure the manager is good.
      Jun 22
  • Microsoft vTk96
    You should take your Lyft offer. No job is perfect, but it would be better than staying where you are. In a year or two you can interview again if you aren't happy. Google lets people interview again all the time.
    Jun 21 2
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      Why do you think it's better to take Lyft?
      Jun 21
    • Snapchat Ralvut
      Lyft is a good company, I would definitely prefer that to F and Uber. Also remember Google is not the same type of company it was 10 years ago, so don’t beat yourself over that.
      Jun 21
  • Uber / Eng itsdara
    Just curious, did working at Amazon make your coding skill dull due to too much ops? Anyway stick around to get severance, it's 6 weeks based on your total comp target not base, so it's a big chunk of money. Take sick days to interview and relax before Pivot.
    Jun 21 4
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      I don't think they would put me on pivot anytime soon. I wish I was on pivot to take the severance.
      I don't know about coding skills after working at Amazon. I know that I learned a lot about the design. Although U rejected me, but the interviewers for both of the design rounds told me they were surprised by my design/architecture decisions (considering 5 yoe). They were very happy to a point that they said I covered every aspect they thought could exist.
      Jun 21
    • Uber / Eng itsdara
      So they just want to fill the dev list quota. My guess is you don't have allies in the org? Just relax and leetcode/interview. You'll get severance next year.
      As for interview, my guess is you were too good at design that they suspect you don't do much coding anymore, and that's a problem for 5yoe
      Jun 21
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      What?! If that was the reason they rejected me it'll make me more sad :(
      Jun 21
    • Uber / Eng itsdara
      Spend more time with Leetcode, forget the LPs
      Jun 21
  • Facebook fag
    Couldn't you switch back to your previous team?
    Jun 21 4
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      I wish. As long as I'm on dev plan, I'm not allowed to switch. And they don't want to end my plan anytime soon. It's open-ended. No deadline.
      Jun 21
    • Isn’t a dev plan means you will be fired soon?
      Jun 21
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      No. It's a plan that if you fail to succeed at (which is very subjective), then they will give you an option of taking severance or stay on another plan, called PIP (and then if you fail this one, they'll fire you directly).
      Jun 21
    • New BwRS78
      Whatever they call it, they’re going through the legal motions. Keep the job search open. Be positive, keep trying. There are lots of companies besides google or other behemoths.
      Jun 21
  • Oracle Techie00
    Stripe
    Jun 21 3
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      Really? You put Stripe next to FANGU?
      I applied to Lyft because people on blind were saying it's a top company, and got the offer, but honestly it was way below my expectations. The interviewers were way below my teammates' level at Amazon. I can't work with such people.
      And now you're telling me about Stripe??!
      Jun 21
    • OpenText RIP Theon😥
      I think you might be right about the low tech of Lyft. I booked a Lyft shared ride recently, and I ended up having to pay $6 (20%) more than the advertised price. The trip also went 20 minutes over. With Uber, I never have to pay more than the listed price.
      Jun 22
    • Stripe diop
      Lol the disrespect. Enjoy amazon man 🍌

      Tons of ex-g/f here. Oh and were actually cash flow positive unlike some other ex-decacorns. 🤦‍♂️
      Jun 23
  • Expedia deadPerson
    What could be the reasons for being in dev plan?
    Missing deadlines of any deliverables?
    Jun 21 3
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      I actually was the only dev on the team who finished their tasks on time and the project went to Prod.
      The reason is the management is terrible and they just want to put someone on the dev list because they have to purge the bottom 10% of their org (under L7).
      I was new to the team and had several disagreements at different times with the team. I think they just wanted to get rid of me.
      Jun 21
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      My previous team was very customer-facing, and the deadlines were very sharp, but still had very high quality for the code and design, that our operational burden was very low.
      The new team was completely the opposite. They were not customer-facing and so their deadlines were not sharp. Yet they have a very low quality for code and design, and high operational burden. The reason was simple: The engineers were not as good as my previous team's and the managers were awful (not being able to push back and buffer the devs, constant change of direction/priorities due to lack of a wide vision).
      So basically I wasn't a fit. Every time I wanted to make things better, they accused me for "disagreeing too much", even if I committed at the end.
      Jun 21
    • Amazon / Eng sTOa23
      Maybe you're just a pain to work with?
      Jun 22
  • Pure Storage iSSk05
    You’re assuming the manager at Google would be better.
    Jun 21 4
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      Honestly how many posts a day you see from Amazonians complaining about their managers? And how many a year do you see from Googlers?
      Jun 21
    • Pure Storage iSSk05
      I don’t read that shit man.
      Jun 21
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      So that's why you have no idea about the overall culture
      Jun 21
    • Pure Storage iSSk05
      If you think Blind is an indication of an overall culture you probably have no idea about blind.
      Jun 21
  • Microsoft
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    What if your next big mistake is not taking one of the other companies that didn’t impress you? Maybe your standards are too high for an impossible situation.
    Jun 21 2
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      I just don't know man. I'm extremely sad and feel empty at the moment:(
      Jun 21
    • New ALwD61
      Dude... you are at a BAD place at Amazon. Join Lyft for a year to make sure you don't get put on a PIP plan at amazon. Recharge your batteries, take things into perspective and try again for the companies you want to interview with. Also, make sure 2-3 months before applying to any of them, to prep on LC + design. MAKE SURE to write A LOT of code for LC(don't just solve them in your mind and try different variations of the answers) so that you will be very fast on the interviews as it will become muscle memory. By the time I was done with LC's prep, I had written more code in 2 months than what I usually do at work in 6 months. Also, for Google, make sure you choose the Chromebook for interviews as that really speeds things up.
      Jun 22
  • Facebook mRn6nf
    You are already on Dev plan. Take another (best) offer and leave. You can try Google in a year. Lyft is not that bad, and it's always good to learn something new, even at a seemingly less exciting company. Don't be too picky, 9/10 times things don't turn out exactly as you wish.
    Jun 22 0
  • Airbnb aTpw21
    Come to Airbnb. We have a Seattle office, great TC, good benefits and good culture
    Jun 21 2
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      Thanks, but I don't want to join a company pre-IPO (I have kids, can't risk the paper money).
      Jun 21
    • New gw43
      😂😂😂
      Jun 21
  • Oracle OlJs40
    amazon can keep you on an open ended plan so you can never switch teams? How long has this gone on?
    Jun 22 0
  • Amazon hulkayaz
    Look on the bright side, you already have an offer from Lyft. It seems like you’re looking for an ideal option out, but sometimes life just doesn’t work out exactly the way you want.

    Take the Lyft offer and keep interviewing.
    Jun 22 0