Reasons behind long tenure at Google

Walmart jazznblues
Nov 15 380 Comments

Google has the top engineering quality, infra, great talent and good WLB. However growth and compensation can be better at places like FB.

Question to Googlers who stay for 5+ years. How do you feel about slow growth and compensation?
Have you regretted staying long at G?

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  • Google blindv
    Many of us like it here. We like our work, we like our colleagues and we have a nice daily routine that we are very comfortable and happy with. Disrupting this for higher TC requires getting out of this nice comfort zone which is hard for many people. Also it's unclear if we will be happier in other companies (say FB) in the long term. Higher TC won't guarantee that, unless the TC is *significantly* higher which *may* make it worthwhile to move
    Nov 15 44
    • New / Mgmt fish-bob
      myna — reduce your working hours to 40 and spend the extra 10 hours per week improving your coding, resume, and interview skills. Set the target, and make it happen.
      Nov 17
    • Google bubbley
      Just as a datapoint. Google pays extremely well. Folks who have been here long term have seen career growth, stock appreciation, and level appreciation if they played their cards right. They're pretty much unemployable elsewhere at the same compensation, because most of their experience is usually very narrow. There is great wlb, all the free food you can eat, all the free classes you need to take and excellent benefits. If you came here 8-10 years ago, your life is made. Why would you want to change that?
      Nov 18
    • Google SundarPich
      Pit-mister is salty he only got offered L3. No tier 2/3 companies pay what Google does. I work 9:30-5 with maybe a half hr some nights to catch up on things.

      5 YoE, TC 350 (just promoted to L5)
      Nov 18
    • Google dNYj70
      13 years in Google, left for higher comp once and hugely regretted it, came back after a couple of months. Money isn't everything
      Nov 18
    • Google vhoggd
      dnyj where did you go and what laws your google and other company level
      Nov 18
  • Automattic gh0sted
    Not everyone is motivated by higher tc and titles. Also G still more prestigious than FB, IMO, and so the time it takes to get promoted may be well worth it
    Nov 15 48
    • Compass / Eng jxnxm
      Average of Harvard is above average. That doesn't mean all of Harvard is above average.

      Clearly your schools stats class failed you
      Nov 16
    • Wayfair hitman047
      There is a simpler way to think of prestige. If you were to remove Google's products from your life, what would be the impact? Now do the same with FB's products. Which impact is more disruptive? Value creates prestige.
      Nov 16
    • Wayfair / Eng UqId35
      Nobody outside tech except maybe your mom gives a damn about prestige or could even tell you what company is more prestigious than another. Maybe prestige is important for advancing your career, but it's a stupid thing to focus on. The only thing that puts money in your pocket is TC.
      Nov 16
    • Automattic gh0sted
      Wow! So this touched a nerve, huh? I get it because ive witnessed firsthand the mediocrity that can be found at both Google and Harvard, but that doesnt negate the fact that having either of these on your resume opens doors. Prestige isnt about merit, friends. Its about perception. If you think this society is a meritocracy then bless your sweet little heart
      Nov 17
    • Lyft wXfl07
      I have a friend whose dad taught at Harvard. They literally admit thousands of people so they can give these folks C's, and D's and they will still be happy to be there and NOT commit suicide. These substandard Harvard students are academic cannon fodder ...
      Nov 17
  • Google PvJl86
    People stay because it's a really good, safe, and comfortable environment with solid benefits and pay, interesting problems, nice coworkers, with excellent work life balance. It's not always about TC. I'm so happy at Google that I wouldn't leave unless someone paid me more than double my TC. I came from an environment where each org has a quota of PIPing 5-15% of employees each year depending on the org, and it made things a lot more competitive with people backstabbing each other and people working 60+ hours. Facebook also PIPs heavily and has a similar competitive culture. More money would not make me go back to that.

    My end goal is to be happy, not necessarily to maximize TC.
    Nov 15 28
    • Google topCon
      There's no 10% piping. If there was, the internal chat room would be filled with pip stories, but they're not
      Nov 18
    • Lyft wXfl07
      You guys just don't get it, maybe I should be more clear. Managers harass people rather than Piping. Eventually people get sick of the hate. I was never pipped but I was harassed non-stop and threatened almost monthly sometimes ... So officially maybe 2% pips, unofficially 10%, average job tenure is surprisingly short at Google below 3.2 yrs. So nobody gets pipped on paper, but many get harassed out ... I stayed longer than average but my first pip threat happened at 5 months on the job.
      Nov 18
    • Google PvJl86
      Genuinely curious. Can you give us examples of how your manager would harass you?
      Nov 18
    • Palantir aYeL86
      @Lyft why do you think your experience generalizes to 10% of Google? Sounds like a you problem
      Nov 18
    • Amazon hWnc48
      Sounds like Amazon the PIPing... LOL
      Nov 19
  • Google several
    I was at Google for around 5 years (L7) and then left for a bigger title ("Dir") and higher paper TC at a well known unicorn.

    1. The place was a giant sh*tshow and super stressful with 12 hour days the norm
    2. The higher TC never materialized since their stock is now 30% below my grant price, while Google stock doubled in the time I wasn't here.
    3. Exec and leadership churn meant that the projects I was excited about leading there kept getting stalled or changing direction.
    4. Hiring was super difficult since the company had a so-so reputation, so I had to lower the bar to hire people. I tried to keep a Google/FB-like bar but kept getting overridden by others.
    5. My manager decided to take a role at a FANG.

    So, I gave up and came back to Google. My life is 100%+ better and my TC is 20-30% higher than before or at the unicorn.
    Nov 15 11
    • Overstock.com / IT jumpingjoc
      This is so true. Hiring talent is very difficult especially if we bad reputation. This is one of the primary reason why I like FANG companies.
      Nov 16
    • Compass / Eng jxnxm
      Uber?
      Nov 16
    • Square SQQQQ
      Gotta be Uber
      Nov 16
    • Apple yuipq
      What is L7 approx tc and breakdown? Whenu return do u get to keep your tenure (i.e. vacation day accrual)?
      Nov 16
    • Credit Karma ckgogo
      Can’t wait for the doordash boomerang stories lol
      Nov 16
  • Akamai Technologies hpBF22
    Staying a long time at google will net you more money than 99% of other companies. Going to FB and growing faster comes at the risk of wlb and burnout. Per hour worked and per unit of stress - google can’t be beat
    Nov 15 8
    • Walmart jazznblues
      OP
      Stability and job security are definitely strong reasons to pick G. Thanks!
      Nov 15
    • Amazon cmdgc
      *beaten
      Nov 15
    • Google HvRB56
      I think being at a high level at G is also not easy. If you just want to cruise and doesn't care about promo, Google is the best place, rarely layoff or pip, not that I know of. But don't know if it will be secure forever. Microsoft used to lay off too.
      Nov 16
    • Facebook ris
      Working here is pain, I hope to move to G soon.
      Nov 17
    • eBay dtbnvz
      Ris, can you elaborate?
      Nov 18
  • Google / Eng
    sqrt(-1)

    Google Eng

    BIO
    Top Contributor or GTFO
    sqrt(-1)more
    I joined Google about 4 years ago making $220k as an L4 SWE.

    I'm now making $450k as an L5 and about to try promo to L6 with full support from my manager and peers.

    I'm quite happy with my slow growth here.
    Nov 16 16
    • Google / Eng
      sqrt(-1)

      Google Eng

      BIO
      Top Contributor or GTFO
      sqrt(-1)more
      Yes. This is what I expect to see on my W2 this year and it includes the vested part of the refreshes I got over the last years.
      Nov 16
    • Robinhood paper$$$$
      Awesome! Congrats for the good compensation!
      Nov 16
    • Google ganzoq
      In similar situation with sqrt. Joined 4 years ago as L4. My last year W2 was 500k+ as L5. This year will be high 400k because of cliff. I had a few SEE in a row and got supports to apply promo next cycle. Pretty happy with my pay. More important, working on very hard and interesting problems. Learnt a lot from coworkers (L6-L8 IC).
      Nov 16
    • Robinhood paper$$$$
      @gamzoq - TC aside, that sounds like awesome learning experience. Mind sharing which org or the type of work?
      Nov 17
    • Google ganzoq
      I’m in an infra team within core system.
      Nov 17
  • Facebook bTId74
    I spent 8+ years there before getting bored of the slow growth and the slow moving products. Good eng culture and ‘prestige’ take you so far in life.
    Nov 16 14
    • Google / Eng
      sqrt(-1)

      Google Eng

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      sqrt(-1)more
      I see absolute no base for the claim that FB SWEs are better than Google SWEs at any percentile.
      Nov 16
    • Facebook / Eng delete[]
      Uh no. Hell no. Google has a ton of dead weight because Google doesn't do that much PIP and firing low performers. And these days Google cloud hired a lot of low levels average engineers.
      Nov 16
    • Google / Eng
      sqrt(-1)

      Google Eng

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      Top Contributor or GTFO
      sqrt(-1)more
      Google does fire low performers. I have first hand knowledge of, at least, 5 cases.

      Can't comment on the second part but I don't think it is true given that the interview process is the same across the company. What I can tell you is that in more than 4 years at Google I never worked with anyone that wasn't really good at their job, frequently better than myself.
      Nov 16
    • Google SDDooo
      Fb has a lower hiring bar than Google, so they need to fire more often. It is designed to be the way.

      This guy has worked in a couple of teams in both companies so it would come down to what teams he was in, and what level he was at and where in the product cycle the team was.
      Nov 18
    • Google QTOPS
      Google aims for top 75% for average comp. The comp measurements include tier 2, & 4 companies.

      By no means is Google a top paying company. However it pays low & avg performers more than anyone else.

      It's also got a strong D&I narrative that certain folks take advantage of.

      I don't doubt that fb on average has better eng than Google.

      As for the PIP. If the employee is D&I they can't be fired. I know of a few ppl who did 0 work for 3 years without being fired. As it was easier for mngmnt to keep them on the payroll then pop them.
      Nov 18
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Facebook CuckerBerg
      Coast? At FB? Wheeeere
      Nov 18
    • Facebook llp6
      Tried to coast in FB and was showed the door. Don't join F if you want to coast.
      Nov 18
    • Microsoft pokeface
      I’m guessing coasting at FB means working less than 40 hrs a week. Is that right?
      Nov 18
    • Facebook llp6
      I worked 50 hours
      Nov 18
    • Google / Eng tirefire
      Your opinion differs dramatically from the larger blind community...
      Nov 19
  • Google ATXbnb
    I've lived slow growth but I was able to change countries, get a green card, change cities, met my wife who was also a Googler, went on offsites around the world, worked with bright admirable people and now after 8 years as I get ready to jump ship I can take my pick of jobs. It's not all about $$$ every time.
    Nov 16 6
    • Facebook bikkle
      For folks stayed 6-8 years at G and sharing your life plan and pro tips: you need to understand early 2010s is a extremely golden age, and they are not likely copyable for next 6-8 years at G.
      Nov 16
    • Google lGlb76
      Agree with this. You should find the Google of 6-8 years ago, and that’s definitely not Google now
      Nov 16
    • Google ATXbnb
      True. The last 3 years have all been downhill
      Nov 16
    • Google m000nshot
      I don't see any reason why earnings can't continue to grow at 20%+...and shouldn't be too much multiple compression on the stock if so
      Nov 16
    • Google QTOPS
      @moonshot. Ads growth is slowing down. Forcast is sub 20% with yoy declines.

      Stock could still see yoy growth of 20% through share buybacks.

      Most (if not all) of Google's recent product launches were failures. Google home. Nest. Stadia. Many gcp/gSuite products.

      For a mature company it cannot have 1 in 10 product launches be successful.
      Nov 18
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Walmart jazznblues
      OP
      Haha
      Nov 15
    • Cisco
      🦙 Alpaca

      Cisco

      BIO
      I am the Alpaca. DM me if you want to cuddle.
      🦙 Alpacamore
      U think its funny?
      Nov 15
  • Google quya
    I feel the promotion is only faster in FB for lower level (below L6). Beyond that, it’s very hard. So for people already reached L6, it’s less attractive to join FB.
    Nov 15 6
    • Amazon vfJe25
      In fact, promotion is very hard as you get senior levels: Sr.SDE in Amz, L5 in G - it is the same everywhere. So moving doesn't make a lot of sense it's you are offered significantly more TC or great impact opportunity.
      Nov 16
    • Google ourt
      I feel Amazon has less number of levels beyond L6. It’s very hard to get L7 there. In Google, L6 is not easy but doable. Above 6 is very difficult.
      Nov 16
    • New gabrod
      Where can I find out more about these levels?
      Nov 16
    • Google
      AngelPriya

      Google

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      AngelPriyamore
      levels.fyi
      Nov 16
    • Google ourt
      Build network is the most reliable way.
      Nov 16
  • Google humble00
    think big, act small, stay humble. If I want to 'move fast and break things', I will go to startup. I came from a recently IPOed startup, feel much more organized and higher eng quality here.
    Nov 15 21
    • Chewy / Eng
      jeasy1080

      Chewy Eng

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      Fitbit
      jeasy1080more
      What do you mean by “G is at the top for Eng quality”?
      Nov 20
    • Google VPpG31
      I mind the downleveling because I’m a better lead than I am grunt work code monkey.

      Boulder.
      Nov 22
    • Spotify dogfoodr
      Title senior staff with low TC vs. Title code monkey with high TC , i'd choose code monkey
      Nov 22
    • Convoy XWIF21
      Usually there are correlated unless in small companies
      Nov 24
    • Google VPpG31
      I dislike being a code monkey it is extraordinarily monotonous to me.
      Nov 25
  • Google goog_
    I have seen two different class of people stick. One who are high performers and are grabbing the opportunity that Google provides due to its vast footprint in variety of products. Other who are exercising tight ownership of an area and prefer that comfort.
    Nov 15 2
    • Dropbox UdBE06
      3rd class: Those who are coasting and figured out how to do enough but stay off the radar.
      Nov 15
    • Google / Eng
      nocomp

      Google Eng

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      nocompmore
      Yep, I've seen these 3 types, fortunately the third one is really small in my experience
      Nov 16
  • Capital One xBBY14
    God damn blind is a total cesspool of insufferable people lmao. Who the fuck cares, after a certain point you’re making well above anything normal people could dream
    About and you should just try to enjoy life.
    Nov 16 3
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Convoy XWIF21
      rude
      Nov 18
    • State Farm EssEfEr
      Who said anything about intolerance bro
      Nov 18
  • Uber wos883jdj
    Facebook is the toughest company in the world. Only the best of the best of the best go there and the best of those survive there
    Nov 16 7
    • Facebook bikkle
      Cannot tell if this is sarcasm..
      Nov 16
    • Uber
      beem

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      beem more
      It’s Facebook, bro! Not Albertsons
      Nov 18
    • Facebook bjivfe
      It is sarcasm
      Nov 18
    • Facebook Lt. Ilia
      Omitting the old-timers who rose through the FB ranks, one thing I’ve noticed at the E6/L6/M1 level and higher is that they’ve often done something noteworthy. Product leaders who have sold companies, PMMs with MBAs from top programs, former startup CTOs in eng mid-management.

      Might be org-specific but the hiring bar at the E6/L6 + leadership level seems extremely high. It’s a bit different for ICs but no one really comes to FB to coast. You’re evaluated several times/year so I think it tends to attract people who are ok with that.
      Nov 18
    • Google / Eng neverfew
      Lel
      Nov 19
  • Google SDDooo
    Growth is not just one thing and it isn't slow at Google:
    1) Promotions from 3 to 5 are just slower than FB. I'm pretty sure they are in line with Amazon and faster than Microsoft.

    2) if you're working in a relatively new team/product, you'll learn a lot in a very short amount of time. Even on larger infra teams, there is a lot to learn from how it was scaled to this level etc. All this is growth too

    Compensation is also higher than most companies except FB. Initial offers are sometimes low but you just need to get some competing offers.
    Nov 15 3
    • Lyft wXfl07
      Hello and welcome to Facebook. Well you've been here 5 mins it's time to make you L4 ....
      Nov 17
    • Facebook F A C E B
      Omg how do you know my career story
      Nov 18
    • Google kill -9
      Basically after 12mo at Facebook you either get promoted to E4 or you get fired.

      E3 is like a trial period.
      Nov 18
  • Facebook mxnxb
    QQ for Googlers. Can you work 10-20hrs a week and still keep the job? I like FB but want to find more time to work on my startup idea. Could google be the place?
    Nov 16 13
    • Google
      AngelPriya

      Google

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      AngelPriyamore
      In google there are L4 tech leads as well. Yes, you can lure L3 indo coding tasks, and they get to improve their stats for promo, works like a charm.
      Nov 18
    • Facebook / Other
      lovethez

      Facebook Other

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      lovethezmore
      Haha. Maybe you can call fresh grads tech leads as well. They could delegate to interns.

      Anything under an E6 "delegating" work sounds like a joke to me.
      Nov 18
    • Google
      AngelPriya

      Google

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      AngelPriyamore
      Well, google downlevels a lot, so L4 band is wide, also L4 close to promo will be considered as tech lead. L3 are not eligible, but they can and do delegate to interns. Fb is different since they don’t hire at E4 if someone has more experience.
      Nov 18
    • Facebook / Other
      lovethez

      Facebook Other

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      lovethezmore
      That's odd. I was offered a higher level in G than in FB.

      Junior engineers "delegating" sounds like just creating unnecessary org levels to boost their ego.
      Nov 18
    • Lyft wXfl07
      As the previous poster states, it's easy to get great reviews at Google. (a) never write a doc because it doesn't boost you CLs or buganizer stats, (b) delegate all nonglamorous work to peers or simply fail to do it. Get your new hackware accepted with insufficient tests or monitoring. Get a lazy-ass code reviewer who never looks deeply at your code. In other words, fuck your peers. It's a time honored way to get ahead at Google, just Google "how to get ahead at Google." ... fuck your peers. There are many blogs on this ...
      Nov 24
  • Facebook NNLb68
    Worked at google for 7 years. Was really in a comfort zone and had a lot of flexibility. However being in a remote office, it was hard to go through e6 or more.

    Took me to go to facebook to realise how good Google was. Yes FB pays more in theory. But if you factor the working hours, google is a much better place. I miss Google work life balance.
    Nov 16 5
    • Facebook / Other
      lovethez

      Facebook Other

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      lovethezmore
      How many hours do you work? I do nearly 45. Can't wait to go to a place with higher WLB.
      Nov 16
    • Facebook NNLb68
      10-12hrs a day... the entire team does it, to meet our goals...
      Nov 16
    • Facebook / Other
      lovethez

      Facebook Other

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      lovethezmore
      That's a lot. I do 9 hours including the commute. I don't want to get past E6 so I only do what's necessary.
      Nov 16
    • Facebook NNLb68
      You're lucky to be honest! I guess every team is different.
      Nov 16
    • WeWork LAuW62
      Wow, 3-4 hours here at most
      Nov 16
  • TBC Corp. google31
    Joined google just 3 months back at L4 and I can confidently say that it is among the best places to work in US. Compared to my previous company, this 100% more respectful and dignified work place. No other company can beat in terms of WLB and perks. Last but not the least , my TC also increased 80% when I joined google so can’t complain about slow growth.. lol
    Nov 16 10
    • Amazon dg1234
      True. Even good non-fang companies have low tc
      Nov 16
    • Lyft wXfl07
      You are still in the Honeymoon. Try to get python readability and report back if you ever do ...
      Nov 17
    • Google / Eng aqqq213dde
      Getting readability is not hard at all. It just take some time. And the queue isn't that long either.
      Nov 18
    • Lyft wXfl07
      You have NO idea. Just wait until the 2Y mark.
      Nov 24
    • Google / Eng aqqq213dde
      I already have that readability.. lol
      Nov 24
  • Microsoft redflagged
    Five years is not a long tenure over a 35 to 40 year career. And big companies like Microsoft and Google have many different teams. In my almost 20 years at Microsoft I’ve worked on four teams and more than ten different roles. I don’t have to leave the company for career growth.
    Nov 16 2
    • Google kill -9
      Until you leave Microsoft you won't realize just how similar all those teams really are - and how different the rest of the industry is.
      Nov 18
    • Microsoft redflagged
      Maybe. I had six years before a Microsoft in Silicon Valley. Microsoft seemed similar then in many ways. But a lot has changed in the last 20 years, everywhere.
      Nov 19

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