Recruiter asked for comp numbers. Is this a good sign?

New 1fir
Nov 13, 2018 20 Comments

I had two loops with different MSFT teams last week, and I got ghosted.

Reached out to both recruiter earlier this week and they said hiring manager still making a decision.

Today one of the recruiters reached out to me to ask for expected comp. Is this a good sign that they want to offer, or am I projecting out my FAANG fantasies?

Also, do I just respond with the usual prefer to discuss later? This is after onsite, so there's no 'later' step, its either offer or no offer. What's a good TC for Senior at MSFT if I need to open with a number?

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  • Microsoft / Eng
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    Microsoft Eng

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    Christian. Love Microsoft. High aspirations, low expectations.
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    Never say a number. It can rarely help.

    Say
    "I don't really have a number in mind. You know more what value I can bring to the company, as I've demonstrated. I just know I want my next opportunity to be a significant step forward in both responsibility and compensation."
    Nov 13, 2018 6
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      That will get you 150, 120k, 30 sign on. Equivalent to saying "I dont know how your comp works so please lowball me". MS is able to get the talent it wants at bargain prices because of this exact phenomenon. Well that and a lot of people dont come with competitve offers.
      Nov 13, 2018
    • Facebook big2fail
      I'm providing enough signal for u to lowball me..
      Nov 13, 2018
    • Microsoft engg
      Yes say high number rather than this BS.
      Nov 13, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Christian. Love Microsoft. High aspirations, low expectations.
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      2.33 yoe and recent offers from Amazon, Google, Salesforce all over 400k Tc for initial offer. This method gets you in every door by not overshooting while never limiting you because you never commit.

      Google Josh Doody "Dreaded Salary Question"
      Nov 13, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Christian. Love Microsoft. High aspirations, low expectations.
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      And now I'll be countering 20% on salary on top of that, because again I've never given them a number.
      Nov 13, 2018
  • Microsoft MrsHyde
    Open with $200k base, $175k RSUs, $100k sign on. You won't get it (maybe the RSUs...maybe) but it's a great anchoring point. I'm assuming SWE.

    How did you get ghosted if they asked you for comp?
    Nov 13, 2018 3
    • Facebook alt_qq
      That's not 375k TC if it's 175/4
      Nov 13, 2018
    • Square / Eng SQ
      You right. I can't math today.
      Nov 13, 2018
    • New 1fir
      OP
      They ghosted me last week.
      Nov 13, 2018
  • Microsoft DOyu71
    By senior I assume you mean l63. You arent going to get 200 base. That is not in the realm of possibility and the recruiters will think youre just guessing.

    Try 180 base, 400k rsu/4, 100k sign on. If they really want you you'll get 170, 320, 80 or something like that. If they dont necessarily want you that much you may get 155,200,50.
    Nov 13, 2018 2
    • New 1fir
      OP
      Do you need competing offers to go that high 170/320/80? That's $270k+ TC!!! Since when did MSFT went that high for L63...
      Nov 13, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      I've seen similar offers both with and without competitive offers. Competing offers always a good idea, though.
      Nov 13, 2018
  • Microsoft Dr. Bayes
    People here are spitting out crazy numbers. 250k+ TC for L63 is not going to happen without solid competing offers
    Nov 13, 2018 3
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      I've seen some in the 270ish range. A couple with no competing offer. These are the top of the line. But if you want sort of an upper bound to go I with those are aspirational numbers.
      Nov 13, 2018
    • Microsoft Dr. Bayes
      I believe that. the offer depends on where the candidate is coming from. If he is joining from a FANG and/or has a ton of unvested stock, then the offers could go that high. If not, getting such an offer is very unlikely
      Nov 14, 2018
    • New 1fir
      OP
      What's a realistic estimate for ok performance not coming from FAANG?
      Nov 14, 2018
  • Insureon / Other FutureBezo
    OP - YoE?
    Nov 13, 2018 1
    • New 1fir
      OP
      8 yoe
      Nov 13, 2018