Reject after accepting - what happens

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Sep 13, 2018 33 Comments

What happens if I accept a Microsoft/Amazon offer and reject it later? I understand it's bad and I don't want to do it either, but I interned and for returning as FTE recruiter says that I'll be placed depending on open headcounts, and I'll know exact team placement couple months before joining means I would have to accept the offer before that. I don't want to sign up for something I am not passionate about.
Need info on blacklist policy especially for Amazon and Microsoft.

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  • Microsoft DOyu71
    As a recent Microsoft manager, I can tell you that not joining after accepting an offer, especially a while after accepting is a giant dick move and a personal pet peeve of mine, enough so that I would work to make sure youre not be hired at MS again. Other managers probably dont care as much.

    I would suggest a couple things 1) try to get the tech areas they are considering and discuss your preferences. Usually they ask you this stuff and generally speaking, teams you interned with would get first dibs at least at ms. Did you not like the team you interned with? If you and the team can commit to broad areas that will help you be on the same page. 2) being passionate about a job you know very little about can be overrated. Growth often comes from tackling unexpected things that you didnt know youd be into or good at. In either Amazon or MS there are opportunities to move around and work on different stuff if you really dont enjoy your current thing.
    Sep 13, 2018 6
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      That's a dick move too and I dont do that without causes beyond my control either.

      Has nothing to do with my ego, it has to do with the fact that it causes me and my team a bunch of needless work. Generally, you commit x resources to interview for college hires. You do the interviews for everyone, not just your group. Then you get your college positions assigned. If you have only 1 position and your person decides that their not "passionate" about what you do (without having a real clue what that is) you're sol.

      And again, the intern would be ACCEPTING the offer and then refusing to join, sometime after they've accepted. I know it's a tough concept.
      Sep 13, 2018
    • Microsoft / Mgmt ⚾️ has
      This is crazy , I am a hiring manager and I would never ding anyone for this . I will look back and retrospect to see what I could have done to help get the talent excited - it’s not the candidates fault , it’s my fault .
      Sep 13, 2018
    • VMware m@1@03
      @DOyu71,Just because it causes you to do a bit of work (for which you are getting paid for), you go out and try to ensure that the company won’t hire the candidate again. That doesn’t sound good.
      Sep 13, 2018
    • New / Eng xoxoyo
      I agree. I would be afraid to work for this type of manager. One little mistake and he holds a grudge for you for life. It is better not to work for this type of person. Most good managers have capacity of empathy and understanding beyond themselves. This Microsoft manager here is looking out for himself only. A little bit of extra work and planning and he complains when someone’s career is at stake. Imagine how little it takes for him to get him annoyed by other things.

      I’ve worked directly under founders and CTOs and they would never hold a petty grudge like this on anyone. It seems like this first level manager here can’t move on just because he thinks he was screwed so badly just because someone decided to do what’s best for them.

      When someone decides that it’s best to join a different company due to certain circumstances, he/she is only what’s best for them. It is not a dick move in an effort to make anyone’s life miserable.
      Sep 14, 2018
    • Amazon BezosBhai
      Shame and shame! You are not a true Microsoft manager. I’ve seen some Microsoft managers and they were really good and humanly.
      Sep 15, 2018
  • USI Holding RGIt00
    I think blacklisting is a thing of the past... esp for these behemoth companies. Chances are they aren't organized enough to even be able to properly record your screwing them over.
    That being said, having been on the receiving end of new hires backing out of accepted offers...it's a dick move
    Sep 13, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Mgmt ⚾️ has
      Well said , it’s actually true
      Sep 13, 2018
  • Indeed Cobol06
    Don’t burn bridges.
    Sep 13, 2018 0
  • Microsoft qbys57
    Especially in Seattle. You can’t keep jumping between Microsoft and Amazon if you piss one of them off
    Sep 13, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Makes sense! Thanks 😊
      Sep 13, 2018
    • New / Eng xoxoyo
      No one is going to be pissed off.
      Sep 13, 2018
  • New / Eng xoxoyo
    No one is going to fault you for rejecting an offer. That’s history. Most companies understand that candidates will take the most sensible offer available and will change their minds as new opportunities come up
    Sep 13, 2018 9
    • New / Eng xoxoyo
      Your Ego is too big to even let go of something so small as having an offer rejected.
      Sep 13, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      I think its hillarious you're trying to tell me how it works at a company I've been a manger at over 10 years. Has nothing at all to do with ego. If people dont accept I dont care, but if you accept an offer show up. You dont like the team? Move to a different one. That's it.
      Sep 13, 2018
    • New / Eng xoxoyo
      I’m not trying to tell you how things work at all. I’m telling you that you have a big ego and you’re petty. It is very much a general concept and it is not company specific
      Sep 14, 2018
    • Symantec RGtp88
      I’ve had people flake and it’s not fun. We have budgets allocated and approvals for a head and when that doesn’t get filled, the process starts over potentially leading to a lack of approval for the replacement req. meaning no new guy and the team has to carry the load until the next opportunity.

      Now in the OP case, if the offer was refused after the team allocation was made and the hiring manager could still get allocated a resource from the intern pool, no harm no foul.

      Different cases, those.
      Sep 14, 2018
    • New / Eng xoxoyo
      I get it. It’s never fun when someone backs out on something they promised, but it’s a fact of life.

      If you’re selling a house, the buyer can make an offer and back out last minute. Or it can be the seller who decides not to sell last minute. In that case, would you say they’re making a “dick move”? They’re not and they’re only doing in their best interest. It’s a decision that people make under a specific circumstance.

      To hear some manager actually goes out of their way to make sure the candidate doesn’t get hired again is just simply petty. It makes me question what type of manager this person is as to be so angry to take this issue personally - simply because he “wasted his time planning”.
      Sep 14, 2018
  • Amazon JFC
    Also, if it were in the company's best interest to rescind your offer, they could do so without a reason... You are free to do the same thing. Some smaller companies may blacklist you for it... But I wouldn't want to work there if that's the way they feel. Kinda hypocritical.
    Sep 13, 2018 0
  • I have a hard time believing that anyone other than a Desi manager has such grudge.
    Sep 13, 2018 1
    • Groupon / Product BapBoop
      What's a Desi manager
      Sep 13, 2018
  • I'd get the gig where you interned, then transfer teams if it's not a good fit. At Amazon, I believe you can transfer after 6 months; I don't know about MS but I'm assuming something similar. You have your whole life to try Microsoft versus Amazon.
    Sep 13, 2018 0
  • EMC XGTRLS
    @DOyu71: I cam tell you that you are a Desi manager. No one else has this kind of ego. It's cost of doing the businesses.
    I had a no show in my team and I hired him after 6 months. Don't burn bridges
    Sep 13, 2018 1
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      I'm white and over 50, racist..
      Sep 13, 2018
  • Microsoft / Mgmt ⚾️ has
    It’s ok - nobody can retaliate for this. I have personally done it many times and there were valid reasons . People will get pissed , but only for short term - after a few months everyone forgets everything
    Sep 13, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    Thanks DOyu71. I don't want to go back to the team I interned with at all. But, I will work with the employer to make sure my preferences are noted.
    Sep 13, 2018 1
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Hope it works our for you.
      Sep 13, 2018
  • New / Eng xoxoyo
    Since you’re so early in your career you want to experience different companies and people understand that it’s normal
    Sep 13, 2018 0

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