I’ve been remote for awhile and I don’t strongly feel either way. Does this mean I pass the “you’d know pretty quickly” test? If my next job was in an office, I’d be fine. But I also love not commuting now. My prior job was in an office and I hated having no control on whether “this was going to be a 30 min drive home or a 90 min one”
Working remotely doesn't need to equal living or even working alone. If you have a good relationship with your parents, move back in with them (pay them rent if you want). Or rent out a space in a WeWork building where you can socialize with other remote workers. Etc. etc.
I’ll take a look at the Microsoft teams option. It doesn’t solve the problem of 5 people in a room white-boarding and you’re on the phone trying to follow or looking at a tiny webcam of the whiteboard or periodic iPhone pictures being sent
Been working remote for less than a year, and I have to say it's draining (burnout very imminent). In a regular 40-hour work week office job, you get lunch breaks and intermtetant breaks of office camaraderie, but in my job, I have to clock in exactly 40 hours of pure work. There's also the issue of surveillance, the company is always recording the apps in use (1 screenshot/minute), snapping a pic of me personally (1 snap/10 minutes). They also record mouse clicks and keyboard strokes for "Activity" metrics. So that's pretty intense! The last thing, I'd say is the back pain, if you don't have a proper setup. Been thinking about getting a treadmill desk.
Isolation. I've bee remote for a little over a year and feel very disconnected from the team. Doesn't help that my management is pretty old school and don't seem to consider remote folks all that much.
Also it sometimes feels like you have to work harder to show that you're producing.
Lack of influence is also a thing, IMO. I feel like I stopped having much influence the moment I turned remote. That in turn likely affects my chances of getting promoted. At least as an engineer. Dunno what it's like for higher-ups.
The personal benefits of remote work are great, but it definitely comes at a price, IMO. Also there are teams that do it better than others. I think my team/bosses are just not good at it.
I agree with most of this. I would add that if career advancement, networking or optionality are important to you remote is a mistake. These things are much, much easier to work on in person (“let me take you out to lunch to pick your brain”; “hey I see you in a meeting with foo kind if I pop in?”) to a degree I don’t think can be overcome.
That said these things are not the end-all be-all especially as you get older. I no longer need to. Yield my network, just keep it alive. I don’t need optionality because I’m kind of done anyway. Etc.
Sometimes maybe you just don’t care and just want to get paid. I will say that a lot of people have never experienced a tech downturn and don’t know how downturns go; remote is almost always first on the chopping block.
(Before anyone says it, no, 2008 and the GFC were not a tech downturn. The last tech downturn was the Dotcom and before that the 92 crash, 1987, 1983, and so on.)
There really isnt a need for everyone to be on the office either which is what alot of people dont understand, as long as you can communicate efficiently things operate just as well if not better since being in the office can waste alot of time
I’m honestly surprised at these responses. I’ve been a remote worker for about 4 years and have loved it. I live in a small beach town with an average income of $40K while I have a $200K TC. My brand new 3300 sq ft home was $265K. I always feel valued, I get regular comp reviews, I interact with people nonstop, and travel enough to shake things up (traveling a little too much may be my one complaint, but I’ll happily take it). I guess I should appreciate my situation more, ha.
After being remote for 18 years at various companies I can tell you the biggest challenges are companies who, despite being cloud and telepresence industry leaders still actually discourage telecommuters. It baffles the mind. A remote worker costs less, works more, and burns out slower.
I feel I end up working way more remotely than I was able to at work with all the distractions. My workday of 10+ hours including commute etc is now cut down to 6 hours of core work. So that's great. I'm afraid I'll soon lose value though being out of sight, out of mind,being the only remote worker. Compensation is always a problem.
No DO does not scale pay on location. Places like buffer and gitlab do, and it's fuckin hilarious and offensive how little they'll pay. They think they're competing against local offers, and that's a total fallacy (I get I'm competing globally for the jobs)
This should be higher up. I work from home once a week or so, so I can only imagine what it would be like full time.
My team is pretty good, but working remote can be hard. Little things like not seeing what they’re writing on the whiteboard, or the microphone not picking people up. There’s also discussions that you just miss out on, decisions being made or information being passed along.
14+ years remote. Everyone has covered it- the lack of influence, lack of promotion opportunities, social isolation. Every interaction you do have is magnified. If you were leading a call and didn't take another call, the second person may assume you are never available and may just be goofing off. Worth it? Depends on what matters to you. I got to coach my kids soccer teams and volunteer at their schools, repainted my living room while on day long conference calls, and it's been so long since I've been to the office I don't have clothes for it anymore.
This is the only reason I go to work. I'm fully remote, but we have an office 20 minutes or so from me. I got to work everyday and work out of a conference room or single person quiet rooms. My wife seriously can't comprehend that I'm working.
Never feeling like you can completely "turn off" work. In an office I can leave my laptop behind and be "off" until the next day. The lack of separation between work and home makes this a little more difficult
Being remote for over 12 years, I do not see a single disadvantage. Organized well with full day chat channel , snd daily meetings to address any blocks or issues, remote team is by far more efficient, then over micro-managed office environment. If you are very junior and need to learn a lot from team mates by going to their desks, remote may be not for you. After some time you learn that information is always there you just need to get it and build a culture to document and share.
Definitely makes it hard to make friends at work. That’s why you have to do things outside of work to meet people, and the company you work for should understand this is important and should allow you to work a schedule to allow you to do this during the week, like being able to take a class at 6 pm or lunchtime and allow you to make up your time later if you have to leave early to travel to make that class.
Currently based in a European office with the motherland HQ based in Redmond. Issues are: people not responding to my emails, calls being full of distracting noises like people banging things and eating in the microphone, not always able to get timely status updates of what's happening, the relationship with the Redmond folks isn't as strong as it would be if I had been based there which can make it harder to get work done and also to get promoted, not being taken as seriously because simply because I'm not based in Redmond so was asked to do low grade work as a result etc etc etc
Unless the team has multiple people working remotely, it can be very challenging to remind in-office members that you are available even though they can’t see you. They often will try to “wait until you’re in office” to meet, even when you tell them you are online or ready for a phone call.
I have The exact same experiences. Somehow people who work in the office are not willing to let others work remotely, just because they don’t, they can’t work remotely themselves. It’s frustrating sometimes when people refuse to use Zoom meeting if you are working remotely, insist to wait till you are in office. On the other hand, when everyone is at the conference table, everyone is on the Zoom meeting instead of looking at each other 😏😑😂
You learn that the lack of human contact on a daily basis is really underestimated until you are in your house all day by yourself. Phone calls and team meetings can help but still very difficult to develop relationships, at least at a company where most employees are not remote. I've also found that I feel a lack of comradery.
Having a co-working space helps a bit with the human contact bit but it's also difficult to form relationships to the extent one could get from an office environment at most of the co-working spaces I've seen.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of other benefits for working remotely but these are some of the bigger pains IMO.
I talked with this company a few months ago. They're building an Airbnb-style platform for working in your neighborhood. Instant coworkers, less loneliness, good WiFi, none of the hassle of working in a coffeeshop.
For me it was loneliness. I was remote for a good 8-10 years. Took a while to adjust back to corporate world and open office style. I even had to rebuild my wardrobe because all I ever wore were PJs and sweats. I still prefer remote work but have a hard time landing WFH jobs nowadays.
On an individual level, it’s not for everyone as we can see in the comments. But I think it’s worth a try if you can.
The biggest pain: “bad communication” isn’t inherent to remote work itself, it’s if the company is bad at it. I wouldn’t work remote anywhere that isn’t at least 50% remote or very committed to getting to that point and beyond. Once a critical mass is hit, the communication problems become a must solve.
I think the biggest problem inherent to remote is feelings of disconnect from your team and coworkers but not everyone cares about that.
What I’ve heard a lot is that being remote only works if the vast majority are remote. If multiple people are in an office together but there are remote employees then everyone should be remote effectively (call into shared meeting). Then there’s no whiteboard crutch or side-talk - everyone’s on equal footing and only one screen is shared at a time to all. If you have mostly office people and a few remote people the remote people are screwed. Out of sight, out of mind.
I've been remote for 4 years. Highly specialized in an area that's a must for my company, so I haven't had to deal with being excluded from important conversations. Have been promoted twice since I started. I work twice as hard as I ever did, even when I was at a law firm, and i spend more than half the day on the phone trying to build and maintain relationships. It's been exhausting, but a great situation. Tons of flexibility. I started playing the guitar during breaks, and now I'm not half bad.
I've been remote for years and love it. Getting top reviews but no promotion without moving to a site. also, outside of my key partners, there's always a sumption that you're never working as a remote. That gets old and gets hard to be patient with it.
This thread is so wild. I’ve been remote for 5 years and it’s an absolute dream. I will never let go of this opportunity, if they let me. It helps that my entire team is remote and spread around the country, and that my boss wfh.
I do probably work more hours because there’s no commute, no hair/makeup prep, and no going out to lunch. So, I see that as a win for the company.
Definitely no negative affect on my comp, my standing with LT, my being given challenging and high vis projects, etc.
It sounds like a lot of you have teams and managers that are NOT remote and there’s FOMO. I can see how that might be very different than my situation. Sounds to me like there needs to be more TEAMS working remote. We should stop spending gazillions of dollars on new offices and spend more money on employees’ paychecks and refreshers.