Renege with Uber L4 for Google L3?

New gtfortc
Sep 20, 2018 23 Comments

Accepted Uber, Google offered me 30% more

2 YoE at a unicorn

Uber offer: Can't provide
Google offer: 130/250/50

Both located at CA

Will Uber blacklist me?

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TOP 23 Comments
  • Microsoft TrueOrFals
    If you made this, you already want google. Take it.
    Sep 20, 2018 0
  • Uber alck
    Something doesn’t seem right. For one, no way an Uber L4 is 30% lower than that. Also, 2 yoe generally slots as L3 so if you got L4 you must have been exceptional in the interview. And if your interview was good, you wouldn’t have gotten that comp offer anyway.
    Sep 20, 2018 5
    • Uber pofk
      My thoughts too
      Sep 20, 2018
    • Uber / Eng
      Rqwx5o

      Uber Eng

      PRE
      Google
      Rqwx5omore
      He probably got L3 but there was miscommunication with the recruiter
      Sep 20, 2018
    • Uber / Eng oOBb03
      I think he got L4, is ignoring the similar base and is sad that the equity appears low. Hence why he won't publish it.
      Sep 21, 2018
    • New gtfortc
      OP
      ^ on point observation, definitely L4
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Uber pofk
      L4 base should be way higher than 130
      Sep 21, 2018
  • Google Level>TC
    Don’t accept L3. Will hurt career in the long term and comp too!
    Sep 20, 2018 4
    • New gtfortc
      OP
      Why? Is it hard to get to L4 in 1-1.5 tree years?
      Sep 20, 2018
    • Google Level>TC
      Well if you are willing to forego 1.5 years of growth I guess L3 doesn’t hurt. But you will be closer to 5A in uber in 1.5 years.
      Sep 20, 2018
    • New gtfortc
      OP
      How much work do I have to put in at Uber? Is the WLB similar to Google?
      Sep 20, 2018
    • Google Level>TC
      m not sure about Uber but I can say for Google it depends on the team. Some managers are thankless and seriously hamper career growth because of preconceived notions.
      Sep 20, 2018
  • Uber / Eng oOBb03
    Uber's 409a price is undervalued right now. The offers are comparable. Why not just go back to the recruiter and tell them you got what you think is a better offer at Google? They won't have much room to budge, but honesty goes a long way with a recruiter who gets "outbid" a lot.

    It also helps Uber change their hiring bands, but it's already admitted internally that it thinks its own numbers are undervalued when considering future/IPO growth.

    So things will likely not get better until the public market valuation is settled after the IPO.

    Uber has always given lower base to ensure it gets people who believe in the mission.

    Sounds like maybe you don't. In that case, advertising, at Google, is for you.
    Sep 20, 2018 4
    • New gtfortc
      OP
      Why should I accept this low pay from a private company? I have no problem with a low base high stock offer but this offer is low base low stock. Who cares about the mission? Ubers is a good mission but so is Google's

      I dont want to join because I'll resent the people who joined 1 year earlier than me with double my stock grant before Uber stopped negotiating.

      However, I also think the team is fun and maybe L3 downleveling is a bad move
      Sep 20, 2018
    • Uber / Eng oOBb03
      It's more like 5-10x+ more, not 2x more, but all successful companies have lucky, rich, early joiners. That's just the game and you chose not to play it earlier (or even now -- why are you interviewing at later stage companies if you are jealous of builders that built?)

      As others point out below you must have gotten an L3 offer from Uber too unless you just got what you think is a terrible equity number and that's where the 30% comes from. Equity lowball is what I was assuming, that I didn't want to fully reveal.

      That's the basis for my comment -- you have to assume there's faster growth potential for Uber than Google and then you'll realize it is indeed a good offer.

      Since you don't, as I said, you should stick with Google. But if you're this dense, you probably won't last at either place.

      You could just stick to the startup you are at and try make it succeed. Then less jealousy.
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Google / Eng uKft56
      @oobb03 : can you please explain why Uber's mission is more Noble than goog?

      At the end both these companies want to make money. You and I are just pawns
      Sep 23, 2018
    • Uber / Eng oOBb03
      uK, it's an ad company. There's not much anti-noble one can get, from my perspective. Maybe you're different.

      I don't care about people wanting to make money in and of itself, just how it manifests.

      A company that just wants your data to sell it to the highest bidder? Or a company that actually sells a useful service and revolutionizing transportation? I'll take delivery and gig economy companies over goog and fb and twitter any day of the week. Plus, Apple isn't giving away my data either, at least, not as its main product (I don't want to be the product to corporations buying access to me). And I avoid buying Apple, too, over walled gardening.

      And no, I don't use google for email or as a search engine, etc. I have a cpu that can actually run basic office applications. I run my own servers for email, web, etc. Wikipedia is also a great search engine, as well as the professional academic search services I get online via my public library. I want to buy products, not be one.
      Sep 27, 2018
  • No, you won't get blacklisted.
    Sep 20, 2018 0
  • Uber pofk
    Uber L4 should be way higher than this.. you prob got lowballrd either from bad interview or it was L3 offer
    Sep 20, 2018 1
    • New gtfortc
      OP
      Numbers are a bit fuzzed but google offered 30% more. Didn't have competing offers when negotiating with Uber
      Sep 20, 2018
  • Super low offer for L4 at Uber. You should interview somewhere else, like LinkedIn. Also, I don't think it's that bad to accept the Google offer. If you are really L4, you can work at Google for 1 or 2 years and interview as L5 anywhere. And probably you will get promoted quickly at Google.
    Sep 21, 2018 0
  • Uber / Eng bag
    What’s the Uber L4 offer? It should be higher than what you wrote for google L3.
    Sep 20, 2018 0
  • New / Eng CJ197
    Even If they do, you shouldn’t care, you are already at G :D BTW got an offer from G too, 5.5yoe, got less stocks, little less base too, so good job!
    BTW2: I also tried at Uber, but my feedback wasn’t good enough for them :)
    Sep 20, 2018 0