I'm a new master grad from a top 10 school (+1 YOE before masters) and accepted a Google offer but I then realized that they low balled me hard with a TC of ~130 (SWE L3 bay area).
I didn't know about blind back then. My mistake is not to interview at multiple places at the same time, started with them early and ended up there. Didn't expect this savagery though.
Now I'm pissed off and I'm thinking of looking for other opportunities and at this point I'm willing to take even a lower TC where at least I feel a bit valued rather a spare part.
Am I crazy? and BTW, will google blacklist me?
Edit: Thanks everyone for their feedback, I decided to continue with Google for the time being. However, I'm still conflicted whether it worth to focus on getting promotion and pay raise at Google or is it a lost case and I should focus on interviewing somewhere else instead!
- Uber lamJ33Tech or non tech? Which city? If tech in SF just work there for a year and then jump for higher TC
- Microsoft AbYK56I started at 60 in a high CoL area and was just fine, suck it up. Google is one of the best places to start a career and millions of people would kill to be in your position. You haven’t done anything yet to deserve a 130 TC let alone more. 10 years from now you’re not going to care what your TC was at your first job out of school, it’s all about the opportunity. Start looking through a 5, 15, 30 year lens and learn to manage your career.
- Microsoft HudiBaba!Yep. No one needs to define the "evaluation" criteria to massage the bruised little egos of the "experienced" old people.
Also, smart people make mistakes. OP din apply to multiple companies cause he thought Google was it. He now realised it aint it. So we should tell him the best option forward now and not "You okay with what you have and be there for few years since you are new". What kind of crappy advise is that?
NO ONE DOWNPLAYS EXPERIENCE IN THIS INDUSTRY BUT IT HAS NOTHING AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHERE YOU WORK, HOW GOOD YOU ARE, OR WILL YOU SUCCEED.
- Amazon / Other @N6Lmore^ Really??? Full disclosure, I think you should aim for as high TC as you can. But baseline experience is like 50% of how good you are.
There is absolutely a large degree of skill and personal investment, but I wouldn't trust a genius with 1YoE to be a major contributor over a decent engineer with 5YoE. The elements of understanding working in a group and real world work are much more important than technical skill.
Difference between 10 and 20 isn't as significant unless you are a specialist. But 1-5 is massive.
- lol.. Neither I’m experienced old nor your response is required to massage my ego. It was asked to understand your random claim. You started by saying he “deserves to be ambitious”. Who doesn’t deserve to be ambitious, dude? Everyone should try for more of whatever they want.
Getting a brand name and learning with Google isn’t a bad advice. Rejecting an offer in hand isn’t the smartest bet when he might have some education loans and might be on a visa. Also, getting backlisted from one of the best companies (don’t know about Google’s policies) for rejecting after accepting an offer might not be a good play either.
There is no harm in trying elsewhere before he joins and exploring his options. If he finds something that’s worth it, that’s great! Everyone here is trying to help him out by making suggestions from their perspective.
We both gave the same advice. I just didn’t understand the deserving piece.
- New / Data cooltruckState schools are like CSUs... They're a joke in California, anyone can get in. You're probably talking about cal poly slo-- if you are, then getting into Google is something you should be grateful for. Otherwise going from UCB to Gooogle is not hard to either lol, UCB is a feeder into Google and Amazon
- Uber biyfc545The op is a clear example of a ultra spoilt brat. You were comfortable with the offer when you accepted it. However when you read stories about others you became dissatisfied and wanted more. This is instead of working hard and getting better.
- I don't need to be racist or sexist, I'm using "he" as a proxy for anyone. I'm not sorry you need your pronouns to feel good about yourself. Christ not everything needs to be boiled down to how they identify or the color of their skin.
Get out of here with that and let's talk about what we know for a fact instead of hypothetical. I'm going to treat them the same regardlessAug 18 7
- Dude, similar L3 here with similar 130k offer. The truth is yea you got lowballed, the reality is you made it Into Google. With 1 year YOE you cannot be so demanding. Switching to a diff company with lower TC is a shitty idea. My suggestion is to grind it at Google for 2 years. Then either get a promo or switch to a diff place if you don't like Google. Like others have said, G is a great place to start your career, don't make any stupid moves. If you have accepted the offer there is no way you can renegotiate. You should I stead focus on what you can learn from Google and use that to grow your career. Don't be so TC driven
- It's awesome. In terms of savings from my TC, I am not compromising on anything. I am single so I don't have a lot of expenses. I get food 3x5 times a week so very less monthly expenses. Rent is around $1k and I live 5 miles away from work. I also own a depreciating Bavarian car, even after which I have a good amount of savings.
In terms of work, I have connected with so many experts and mentors at G that helps me plan my career. There are so many roles I can switch to after 1 to 2 years. I also have a good amount of freedom to explore my own projects and take up initiatives.
Compared to my peers, I am ahead of the game. I too graduated from a top public university. I do see blind posts about 200k TC and 250k TC. There are more things that matter beside TC like quality of work and following your passion. And if you enjoy that then higher TC will follow you. Your goal should be to learn and make impact than securing higher TCsAug 17 21
- “Now I'm pissed off and I'm thinking of looking for other opportunities and at this point I'm willing to take even a lower TC where at least I feel a bit valued rather a spare part.”
Think rationally. Your whole issue with google is a “low ball offer”.
Now you are willing to leave Google for even lower comp?
- Sounds like that person wants to act out of spite and take a lower offer elsewhere. Kid, if you can’t even get a higher offer somewhere else, then maybe you haven’t been “lowballed” by Google... but that’s what you’re worth as a new grad. Delete blind and life happily ever after.
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- I agree with Google in this case. The guy clearly isn't mature enough or even did basic research for the role he was getting. levels.fyi has been around for a while. Glassdoor as well.
It's on OP that he got low balled and was fine with it. Don't think he realizes his top 10 school with masters doesn't equate to much though. (Sure shows him how smart he is with that degree 🤣)
- Yeah I think you should do what you say. Get a job with lower TC to make Google feel bad (if you can find a job with lower TC that is). I am sure Google will cry and realize their mistake and come to you begging.
- Hahahahahahahaha lowballed without having even applied to other places or gotten any other offers?
Just because someone else gets a better offer doesn't mean you would get the same offer.
Huge amount of entitlement in this
- Maybe OP just is that bad with interviewing and doesn't have a good resume?
It's a range for a reason. Low means bottom of the barrel. Congrats, you found the person who barely squeaks by and is so unimpressive they get a "low" offer.
It doesn't mean that everyone deserves the high end of the range. Ranges don't work like that.
- Credit Karma LCboyEven if they lowballed you, getting Google on resume would be awesome for your future career growth.
Don't be stupid for TC at start of career.
Also, TC increases faster at Google, if you go to a company with big TC, in few years if you see a person at Google will be earning more than some other employer.
See long term, not present
- Microsoft / Eng WutIsTechI’d recommend just staying there for a year for experience then jumping afterwards! Get some more industry experience and aim for Sde2 at a diff company in a year. Larger TC. But just my thoughts
- Just be like "so I checked my anonymous work app Blind and they made fun of my TC offer so bad so I need you low-balling fucks to fix this 😭"
- Microsoft Satya007I started at 120k and now 400k after 5 years. My Recommendation, stick at the Google offer, your comp will increase in no time. Plus, Google on resume beats all. Most of my friends at Google started at about same TC but now make 5x at least.
- Snapchat Tonbanstay for a year, and keep interviewing. Then make a decision based on the offers and how you like Google then
- Intuitive Surgical czmM52A piece of advice from an old fucker.
You are stupid as fuck.
You don't know shit. And you have zero understanding of how stupid you are.
Here's the good point... You are at fucking Google dude. Don't be more of an idiot than you already are.
NOTHING... I MEAN NOTHING matters until your late 20's. Learn everything you can now... Soak that shit up.
After 3-5 years at Google you can write your ticket. You can you anywhere you want. Recruiters will be knocking your door down.
Life is an ultra marathon. Not a Sprint.
In ten years you will be pulling down a million a year and laughing about the fact that you were worried at one point.
And at some point in your 40's you will realize how true everything I'm saying is. And you will say the same thing to some new grad writing that he got lowballed.
Enjoy man. You have no idea how good you've got it.
- Amazon kox87Don’t agree with this. Maybe op is already better than a lot of people. However he has reason to be upset if he’s being low balled for no reason. Jeremy Lin said the NBA has given up on him. Tons of people talked shit about him saying he has a Harvard degree and made tons of money why would he complain. Because everyone’s goal is different. I do agree op shouldn’t make emotional decision but he shouldn’t be criticized for not being grateful.
That being said, op should try to fix the problem, either have a conversation with the hr or manager. But I don’t think that’s going to change anything. It’s too late. I will suggest take the job and focus on learning just like everybody else said. But again, he shouldn’t be criticized, instead he should learn not to make the same mistake in the future. Just my 2cents.
- AT&T / Eng DDM2KmoreTime of hire is the biggest leverage you’ll have in negotiating. Lowball offers in a good economy are insults and nothing more. This isn’t 2009. This site fortunately lets you get feedback before you accept the offer, not after you get screwed. $130k is a new grad offer. But not a masters new grad offer.
OP should talk to his recruiter about interviews loops a level up.
- Indeed indoneYou have 1 YOE. It doesn't matter much what your TC is right now. Having Google on your resume is going to set you up for the rest of your career. I would take the offer and consider it a lesson learned for next time to negotiate harder.