Rescinding a Google offer

New gmDj12
Aug 17 302 Comments

Hi,

I'm a new master grad from a top 10 school (+1 YOE before masters) and accepted a Google offer but I then realized that they low balled me hard with a TC of ~130 (SWE L3 bay area).

I didn't know about blind back then. My mistake is not to interview at multiple places at the same time, started with them early and ended up there. Didn't expect this savagery though.

Now I'm pissed off and I'm thinking of looking for other opportunities and at this point I'm willing to take even a lower TC where at least I feel a bit valued rather a spare part.

Am I crazy? and BTW, will google blacklist me?

Edit: Thanks everyone for their feedback, I decided to continue with Google for the time being. However, I'm still conflicted whether it worth to focus on getting promotion and pay raise at Google or is it a lost case and I should focus on interviewing somewhere else instead!

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  • Uber lamJ33
    Tech or non tech? Which city? If tech in SF just work there for a year and then jump for higher TC
    Aug 17 18
    • Uber / Eng rqDs70
      Google can compete on the high end of the offers, but most new grad come without competing offer, so why would the company offer high-end when they can just offer average?
      Aug 17
    • Universal Orlando 8675309k
      Salesforce and LinkedIn typically pay more than Google.
      Aug 17
    • 150 k pay and low balled do not go hand in hand lol.unless u have more experience
      Aug 17
    • When starting u shud he more interested in learning technology than looking for extra 10 k coz u can easily get it if u acquire skill
      Aug 17
    • NVIDIA Gk56$iA
      It’s not low ball, get over yourself and make yourself valuable to a company first before expecting a 200k TC anywhere. Outrageous!
      Aug 18
  • Microsoft AbYK56
    I started at 60 in a high CoL area and was just fine, suck it up. Google is one of the best places to start a career and millions of people would kill to be in your position. You haven’t done anything yet to deserve a 130 TC let alone more. 10 years from now you’re not going to care what your TC was at your first job out of school, it’s all about the opportunity. Start looking through a 5, 15, 30 year lens and learn to manage your career.
    Aug 17 11
    • Microsoft / Data
      sanadella

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      sanadellamore
      Don't listen to old farts who are jealous that you are getting more than them. YOU SHOULD FUCKNG GO FOR AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. Nobody "deserves" anything.
      Aug 17
    • Microsoft HudiBaba!
      Yep. No one needs to define the "evaluation" criteria to massage the bruised little egos of the "experienced" old people.
      Also, smart people make mistakes. OP din apply to multiple companies cause he thought Google was it. He now realised it aint it. So we should tell him the best option forward now and not "You okay with what you have and be there for few years since you are new". What kind of crappy advise is that?
      NO ONE DOWNPLAYS EXPERIENCE IN THIS INDUSTRY BUT IT HAS NOTHING AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHERE YOU WORK, HOW GOOD YOU ARE, OR WILL YOU SUCCEED.
      Aug 17
    • Amazon / Other
      @N6L

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      @N6Lmore
      ^ Really??? Full disclosure, I think you should aim for as high TC as you can. But baseline experience is like 50% of how good you are.
      There is absolutely a large degree of skill and personal investment, but I wouldn't trust a genius with 1YoE to be a major contributor over a decent engineer with 5YoE. The elements of understanding working in a group and real world work are much more important than technical skill.

      Difference between 10 and 20 isn't as significant unless you are a specialist. But 1-5 is massive.
      Aug 18
    • Expedia Group oytI85
      lol.. Neither I’m experienced old nor your response is required to massage my ego. It was asked to understand your random claim. You started by saying he “deserves to be ambitious”. Who doesn’t deserve to be ambitious, dude? Everyone should try for more of whatever they want.

      Getting a brand name and learning with Google isn’t a bad advice. Rejecting an offer in hand isn’t the smartest bet when he might have some education loans and might be on a visa. Also, getting backlisted from one of the best companies (don’t know about Google’s policies) for rejecting after accepting an offer might not be a good play either.

      There is no harm in trying elsewhere before he joins and exploring his options. If he finds something that’s worth it, that’s great! Everyone here is trying to help him out by making suggestions from their perspective.
      We both gave the same advice. I just didn’t understand the deserving piece.
      Aug 18
    • Google MiniEA
      Your advice sucks. My friend made 400k first year out of college (150k signing, 250k TC), many others made 300k TC + 50k signing. Do not encourage OP to low-ball himself.
      Aug 19
  • Microsoft
    TheNoid

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    What’s a “top 10 school”?
    Aug 17 8
    • Google MVou06
      @djeehd: I dont think he meant stanford when he said its a state school. You usually mean a public state school when you say a state school - and if it was stanford he wouldve said top 3, not top 10
      Aug 17
    • Microsoft bakaka
      Stanford is private.
      Aug 17
    • Microsoft francos
      djeehd probably never went to a school in US.
      Aug 17
    • NVIDIA bdei51
      Yeah I don't think you need school to get into Knock Inc
      Aug 17
    • New / Data cooltruck
      State schools are like CSUs... They're a joke in California, anyone can get in. You're probably talking about cal poly slo-- if you are, then getting into Google is something you should be grateful for. Otherwise going from UCB to Gooogle is not hard to either lol, UCB is a feeder into Google and Amazon
      Aug 17
  • Uber biyfc545
    The op is a clear example of a ultra spoilt brat. You were comfortable with the offer when you accepted it. However when you read stories about others you became dissatisfied and wanted more. This is instead of working hard and getting better.
    Aug 17 8
    • New / Eng
      TechLeed

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      TechLeedmore
      He expects to be treated as royalty except he doesn't realize that everyone of value is already appling to Google. He doesn't really have much negotiating power
      Aug 18
    • Google Mr. Glass
      Assume OP is a woman or black person or both. Then read your responses above. And then think.
      Aug 18
    • New / Eng
      TechLeed

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      TechLeedmore
      I don't need to be racist or sexist, I'm using "he" as a proxy for anyone. I'm not sorry you need your pronouns to feel good about yourself. Christ not everything needs to be boiled down to how they identify or the color of their skin.

      Get out of here with that and let's talk about what we know for a fact instead of hypothetical. I'm going to treat them the same regardless
      Aug 18
    • Google Mr. Glass
      ^ exactly. That’s my point. I’m talking about everyone else in this thread too. Isn’t it better to be color blind and treat everyone equally with one objective meritocratic standard rather than playing identity politics?
      Aug 18
    • New / Eng
      TechLeed

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      We can all hate everyone equally
      Aug 18
  • Google sbsjsj
    Dude, similar L3 here with similar 130k offer. The truth is yea you got lowballed, the reality is you made it Into Google. With 1 year YOE you cannot be so demanding. Switching to a diff company with lower TC is a shitty idea. My suggestion is to grind it at Google for 2 years. Then either get a promo or switch to a diff place if you don't like Google. Like others have said, G is a great place to start your career, don't make any stupid moves. If you have accepted the offer there is no way you can renegotiate. You should I stead focus on what you can learn from Google and use that to grow your career. Don't be so TC driven
    Aug 17 4
    • New gmDj12
      OP
      so how things are going for you?
      Aug 17
    • Google sbsjsj
      It's awesome. In terms of savings from my TC, I am not compromising on anything. I am single so I don't have a lot of expenses. I get food 3x5 times a week so very less monthly expenses. Rent is around $1k and I live 5 miles away from work. I also own a depreciating Bavarian car, even after which I have a good amount of savings.

      In terms of work, I have connected with so many experts and mentors at G that helps me plan my career. There are so many roles I can switch to after 1 to 2 years. I also have a good amount of freedom to explore my own projects and take up initiatives.

      Compared to my peers, I am ahead of the game. I too graduated from a top public university. I do see blind posts about 200k TC and 250k TC. There are more things that matter beside TC like quality of work and following your passion. And if you enjoy that then higher TC will follow you. Your goal should be to learn and make impact than securing higher TCs
      Aug 17
    • New gmDj12
      OP
      thanks for the reply, nice to hear you're doing fine! I hope you get your promo soon :)
      Aug 18
    • Google sbsjsj
      Thanks, so have you made up your mind? This post has been overwhelmed with comments and advice. Good luck!!
      Aug 19
  • Microsoft bakaka
    “Now I'm pissed off and I'm thinking of looking for other opportunities and at this point I'm willing to take even a lower TC where at least I feel a bit valued rather a spare part.”

    Think rationally. Your whole issue with google is a “low ball offer”.
    Now you are willing to leave Google for even lower comp?
    Aug 17 7
    • Microsoft bakaka
      Let your emotion settle, show results and have mature conversion with your manager.

      Your next option is to get a competing offer and ask google to match. Again, like others pointed out, first spend few months and prove your worth.
      Aug 17
    • Uber / Eng rqDs70
      Yeah doesn't make sense, if you think current TC is low-ball, how can you accept even lower, that would be super low-ball from the new company, how could it make you feel better?
      Aug 17
    • Booking.com / Admin
      Баба Яга

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      Баба Ягаmore
      Let him do what he wants. He will learn his lesson
      Aug 17
    • Google serialburp
      Lol, op went in unprepared and is pissed at himself.
      Aug 17
    • NVIDIA Gk56$iA
      Sounds like that person wants to act out of spite and take a lower offer elsewhere. Kid, if you can’t even get a higher offer somewhere else, then maybe you haven’t been “lowballed” by Google... but that’s what you’re worth as a new grad. Delete blind and life happily ever after.
      Aug 18
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    • Pure Storage blingboob3
      Jump off your high horse will you. Jackass. I'm sure you had life figured out right out of school.
      Aug 17
    • Flagged by the community.

    • New / Eng
      TechLeed

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      I agree with Google in this case. The guy clearly isn't mature enough or even did basic research for the role he was getting. levels.fyi has been around for a while. Glassdoor as well.

      It's on OP that he got low balled and was fine with it. Don't think he realizes his top 10 school with masters doesn't equate to much though. (Sure shows him how smart he is with that degree 🤣)
      Aug 17
    • Snapchat BlindAsA🦇
      Dude probably got an offer without looking at blind or levels.fyi and you are all just salty you needed this shit. He was concentrating on the skills to succeed in his job.
      Aug 17
    • Epic Games jkFyCde
      U can’t manipulate people. Not everyone well connected to have exposure. If this the case then skills wouldn’t mean anything.
      Aug 17
  • NVIDIA bdei51
    Yeah I think you should do what you say. Get a job with lower TC to make Google feel bad (if you can find a job with lower TC that is). I am sure Google will cry and realize their mistake and come to you begging.
    Aug 17 1
    • Wayfair phplover
      Lol Google will cry for losing entry level engineers.
      Aug 18
  • Square / Eng ReferralMe
    Hahahahahahahaha lowballed without having even applied to other places or gotten any other offers?

    Just because someone else gets a better offer doesn't mean you would get the same offer.

    Huge amount of entitlement in this
    Aug 17 5
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      For Google, this TC is extremely low even for someone with no counteroffers
      Aug 17
    • Google goooogle
      Nope, for L3 this is not a bad offer at all , it's kinda above avg offer for fresh engineer
      Aug 17
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      For bay area? Check the internal spreadsheet with the TC survey results. It's low
      Aug 17
    • Square / Eng ReferralMe
      Maybe OP just is that bad with interviewing and doesn't have a good resume?

      It's a range for a reason. Low means bottom of the barrel. Congrats, you found the person who barely squeaks by and is so unimpressive they get a "low" offer.

      It doesn't mean that everyone deserves the high end of the range. Ranges don't work like that.
      Aug 17
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      130k is not even *in* the range at Google
      Aug 17
  • Credit Karma LCboy
    Even if they lowballed you, getting Google on resume would be awesome for your future career growth.
    Don't be stupid for TC at start of career.
    Also, TC increases faster at Google, if you go to a company with big TC, in few years if you see a person at Google will be earning more than some other employer.
    See long term, not present
    Aug 17 16
    • Samsung txbond
      🤣
      Aug 17
    • NVIDIA wokeburger
      Ok I'll go back to my diversity camp where everyone is nice to me 🥺
      Aug 17
    • Google sbsjsj
      Lol wtf 😂😂
      Aug 17
    • Expedia Group oytI85
      🤣🤣🤣
      Aug 18
    • Twitter mrobvious
      Lol. Stop! Girls!
      Aug 19
  • Microsoft / Eng WutIsTech
    I’d recommend just staying there for a year for experience then jumping afterwards! Get some more industry experience and aim for Sde2 at a diff company in a year. Larger TC. But just my thoughts
    Aug 17 2
    • Cisco / Product U there
      Is one year long enough? I thought people always recommend two years
      Aug 17
    • PayPal / Eng Contrarian
      Yes one year is long enough, if you have good reason to move
      Aug 17
  • Microsoft wndws
    New grads these days think 130 is lowballed hard and savagery.
    Aug 17 0
  • NVIDIA wokeburger
    Just be like "so I checked my anonymous work app Blind and they made fun of my TC offer so bad so I need you low-balling fucks to fix this 😭"
    Aug 17 2
    • Google sbsjsj
      Lol
      Aug 17
    • Spotify Atinlay3
      Works every time! My manager seems to respect me more after I did this, but don’t forget the sob emoji!
      Aug 18
  • Microsoft rubaduba
    That's an insane amount of entitlement from these new grads.
    Aug 17 1
    • Microsoft steveball
      Wahhhhhh, $150k straight out of college? How on earth will I live on poverty wages?
      Aug 18
  • Microsoft Satya007
    I started at 120k and now 400k after 5 years. My Recommendation, stick at the Google offer, your comp will increase in no time. Plus, Google on resume beats all. Most of my friends at Google started at about same TC but now make 5x at least.
    Aug 17 1
  • Airbnb kYFK02
    Lol top 10 school. No one cares about your school
    Aug 17 9
    • Autodesk DouP01
      Came here to say this. There’s like 20 top 10 schools
      Aug 18
    • Oracle rqab14
      Top school will get you an interview after that everybody is equal
      Aug 18
    • Lucidworks hMbF15
      Unless its Stanford. Companies in the bay seem to love Stanford grads.
      Aug 18
    • Amazon 💥 boom
      Stanford is top 1. Top 10 means something like University of Alabama or Texas or whatever made the random list this year...
      Aug 18
    • Cisco G-Intern
      Google doesn’t like Stanford that much. :)
      Aug 18
  • Snapchat Tonban
    stay for a year, and keep interviewing. Then make a decision based on the offers and how you like Google then
    Aug 17 3
    • Google gg18
      This
      Aug 17
    • NVIDIA wokeburger
      While quietly telling yourself "I'm gonna fix this, I'm gonna make them suck mine one day, ..." rocking back and forth during scrum every morning.
      Aug 17
    • Tableau x-dev
      This. It's really unfortunate that they low-balled, but getting Google on the resume will make your leap to the next FAANG company easier and justify a good comp.
      Aug 17
  • Intuitive Surgical czmM52
    A piece of advice from an old fucker.

    You are stupid as fuck.

    You don't know shit. And you have zero understanding of how stupid you are.

    Here's the good point... You are at fucking Google dude. Don't be more of an idiot than you already are.

    NOTHING... I MEAN NOTHING matters until your late 20's. Learn everything you can now... Soak that shit up.

    After 3-5 years at Google you can write your ticket. You can you anywhere you want. Recruiters will be knocking your door down.

    Life is an ultra marathon. Not a Sprint.

    Live. Learn.

    In ten years you will be pulling down a million a year and laughing about the fact that you were worried at one point.

    And at some point in your 40's you will realize how true everything I'm saying is. And you will say the same thing to some new grad writing that he got lowballed.

    Enjoy man. You have no idea how good you've got it.
    Aug 17 2
    • Amazon kox87
      Don’t agree with this. Maybe op is already better than a lot of people. However he has reason to be upset if he’s being low balled for no reason. Jeremy Lin said the NBA has given up on him. Tons of people talked shit about him saying he has a Harvard degree and made tons of money why would he complain. Because everyone’s goal is different. I do agree op shouldn’t make emotional decision but he shouldn’t be criticized for not being grateful.

      That being said, op should try to fix the problem, either have a conversation with the hr or manager. But I don’t think that’s going to change anything. It’s too late. I will suggest take the job and focus on learning just like everybody else said. But again, he shouldn’t be criticized, instead he should learn not to make the same mistake in the future. Just my 2cents.
      Aug 18
    • AT&T / Eng
      DDM2K

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      Time of hire is the biggest leverage you’ll have in negotiating. Lowball offers in a good economy are insults and nothing more. This isn’t 2009. This site fortunately lets you get feedback before you accept the offer, not after you get screwed. $130k is a new grad offer. But not a masters new grad offer.

      OP should talk to his recruiter about interviews loops a level up.
      Aug 19
  • Indeed indone
    You have 1 YOE. It doesn't matter much what your TC is right now. Having Google on your resume is going to set you up for the rest of your career. I would take the offer and consider it a lesson learned for next time to negotiate harder.
    Aug 17 1
    • Microsoft ouch1tnow
      Agree, go there and you will get much better TC next time. You don’t need to tell the next employer your current TC, you can always ask for much higher TC with next company
      Aug 18