60k stock (each year)
56k yearly bonus
95k worth of rsu (each year)
8 YOE, living in San Jose!
Which one would you choose? Why or why not? FYI, Cruise valuation is 19B and no IPO yet. There is still chance to negotiate with Cruise.
- Cruise Automation WJBA12I suggest you avoid Cruise at this point regardless of compensation. There are too many cultural issues with the company right now, and I dont think its worth taking that risk. I myself will be leaving in a couple of months PM me for more information if you want.
- @cruise123 I've said on multiple threads that I have nothing against Asians. I'm not racist. I have something against Cruise allowing one minority (in this case Asians) to dominate entire teams at the company. I dont take it back. This is bad! The word Diversity is used too often as a slogan. But I truly believe that a good and successful company should exhibit that. Cruise preaches for one thing but goes and does the complete opposite.Oct 13 2
- Amazon oht7feI know people who went from Amazon to Cruise and came back due to life-threatening WLB over there. Roku might be better WLB wise, plus real money.
- Avoid Cruise at all costs. Read Glassdoor reviews to get some perspective
- I have been talking to Cruise for a senior engineering role and did some research. Below is the most accurate summary of my crowd sourced information gathering attempt:
- The politics are extremely intense here:
- You have people within teams behaving cut throat to prove to management that they are the best
- constant firings in all leadership levels and teams
- teams fighting for projects
- constant bad-mouthing others for not performing on your team and across teams. This builds an anxiety driven atmosphere; you don't really know who you can trust
- I felt that working here made me a worse person because it's difficult to not get caught up in the environment
- Brain Drain: The best people leave
- Many, many people only handle the environment through prescription drugs (anti-depressants, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety)
- Company confidence is extremely low
- No, the compensation isn't better. Our stock is monopoly money and the chances of you lasting four years (for 100%) before a liquidation event is likely fairly small (remember, we already sold to GM once, now we're private again with multiple investors, but who knows how long that's going to last).
You're also probably not going to get 100% of your bonus unless you're truly a star employee.
You're looking at 300k annually from Roku, cash, or 188k + maybe 56k + maaaaaaaaybe 90k if we have a liquidation event and you have 100% of your stock grant.
So... 300 guaranteed vs. a potential ~310, likely ~240, possible 188.
Roku is also in South Bay, so you can have a better lifestyle.Oct 12 2
- "You're also probably not going to get 100% of your bonus unless you're truly a star employee."
Complete BS, anyone meets expectations or above gets 100% bonus or a multiplier. Unless you are below expectations you get a cut, which means you are basically on a PIP and should be looking for another job anyway. This stuff is pretty clearly laid out in all hands and wiki, idk how you missed it.
- At cruise the bonus is not guaranteed like in companies like LinkedIn google etc. On paper it’s not guaranteed anywhere, but some companies have never missed on giving 100% bonus, while cruise has. So that’s something to factor in. In terms of tech, cruise sounds better to me, but I don’t know much about the engineering at Roku.
- Why do you say cruise has "missed on giving 100% bonus"? In past years the only reason for getting no bonus is an NI rating at end of year (basically you are on a PIP), and this year that stays in place but they added a multiplier for good performance. There has never been a company wide reduction in bonus.
- Roku (real money and the stock is out of the bubble so your RSUs are not inflated). You'll work in South Bay with a better lifestyle. Also, the product of Roku actually works.
- New Uncle XimoreThe same guys who valued this at "$19B" also valued wework at "$47B." Same for the likes of Slack, Pinterest, before their IPOs... Don't buy their bullshit.