Roku vs Cruise offer

Intel crocobot
Oct 12 50 Comments

Roku:
240k base
60k stock (each year)

Cruise:
188k base
56k yearly bonus
95k worth of rsu (each year)
25k sign-on

8 YOE, living in San Jose!

Which one would you choose? Why or why not? FYI, Cruise valuation is 19B and no IPO yet. There is still chance to negotiate with Cruise.

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  • Cruise Automation WJBA12
    I suggest you avoid Cruise at this point regardless of compensation. There are too many cultural issues with the company right now, and I dont think its worth taking that risk. I myself will be leaving in a couple of months PM me for more information if you want.
    Oct 12 7
    • Cruise Automation WJBA12
      @cruise123 seems that there are enough people agreeing with my comments. Also, please dont call me a racist. You dont know me or my background. I call things for what they are.
      Oct 13
    • Cruise Automation cruise123
      I’m not disagreeing with others, just talking about you. I’m saying racist based on the way you made awkward generalizations about all Asians at Cruise, as if they are all the same
      Oct 13
    • Cruise Automation WJBA12
      @cruise123 I've said on multiple threads that I have nothing against Asians. I'm not racist. I have something against Cruise allowing one minority (in this case Asians) to dominate entire teams at the company. I dont take it back. This is bad! The word Diversity is used too often as a slogan. But I truly believe that a good and successful company should exhibit that. Cruise preaches for one thing but goes and does the complete opposite.
      Oct 13
    • Cruise Automation cruise123
      I mean, you guys be the judge. He’s talking about picking peers for performance reviews, I thought it was a pretty weird thing to say
      Oct 13
    • Cruise Automation WJBA12
      There is nothing racist about that. That is the reality at Cruise. Which is sad in my opinion.
      Oct 13
  • Amazon oht7fe
    I know people who went from Amazon to Cruise and came back due to life-threatening WLB over there. Roku might be better WLB wise, plus real money.
    Oct 12 4
    • Tibco software / Eng !mlikoj!
      Wlb is pretty shitty at Roku as well. That's what I heard from folks that moved to Roku from amazon
      Oct 12
    • Roku RokuRoku
      Better than Tibco, that’s what I heard from people that moved from Tibco to ______.
      Oct 12
    • Tibco software / Eng !mlikoj!
      Lol the WLB at Tibco is guaranteed to be much much better than most companies. The package/tc not so much.
      Oct 13
    • Roku nʞoɹ
      Both TC and WLB at roku are great.
      Oct 18
  • Netflix
    retired19

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    retired19more
    Avoid Cruise at all costs. Read Glassdoor reviews to get some perspective
    Oct 12 4
    • Glassdoor has never been accurate with any job I've had.
      Oct 12
    • Netflix
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      Has been super accurate for me
      Oct 12
    • Cruise Automation hqudy651
      I'm on the SRE team, can confirm that there's a lot of unnecessary politicking and push for bad WLB.
      Oct 12
    • Cruise Automation tlij23
      Plenty of teams have great WLB, interview your direct manager before joining. @hqudy651 you should transfer teams.
      Oct 12
  • Netflix
    apollo10

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    apollo10more
    I have been talking to Cruise for a senior engineering role and did some research. Below is the most accurate summary of my crowd sourced information gathering attempt:

    "
    - The politics are extremely intense here:
    - You have people within teams behaving cut throat to prove to management that they are the best
    - constant firings in all leadership levels and teams
    - teams fighting for projects
    - constant bad-mouthing others for not performing on your team and across teams. This builds an anxiety driven atmosphere; you don't really know who you can trust
    - I felt that working here made me a worse person because it's difficult to not get caught up in the environment
    - Brain Drain: The best people leave
    - Many, many people only handle the environment through prescription drugs (anti-depressants, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety)
    - Company confidence is extremely low
    "
    Oct 18 4
    • Facebook pisspapa
      Nice points but you forgot to mention what company does this relate to
      Oct 18
    • Netflix
      apollo10

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      Sorry, it was for Cruise
      Oct 18
    • Facebook pisspapa
      Great, Thanks!
      Oct 18
    • Cruise Automation WJBA12
      Yup. Sounds right. Beware of the Cruise kool-aid drinkers. They don't like it when people spread the truth about the company.
      Oct 18
  • Roku RokuRoku
    Roku!

    Brother works at cruise and hates it. Thinking about moving soon.
    Oct 12 5
    • Intel crocobot
      OP
      I see. But the compensation and team is better at Cruise! Hard decision to make!
      Oct 12
    • Cruise Automation hqudy651
      No, the compensation isn't better. Our stock is monopoly money and the chances of you lasting four years (for 100%) before a liquidation event is likely fairly small (remember, we already sold to GM once, now we're private again with multiple investors, but who knows how long that's going to last).

      You're also probably not going to get 100% of your bonus unless you're truly a star employee.

      You're looking at 300k annually from Roku, cash, or 188k + maybe 56k + maaaaaaaaybe 90k if we have a liquidation event and you have 100% of your stock grant.

      So... 300 guaranteed vs. a potential ~310, likely ~240, possible 188.

      Roku is also in South Bay, so you can have a better lifestyle.
      Oct 12
    • Intel crocobot
      OP
      Thanks! It was helpful :)
      Oct 12
    • Cruise Automation tlij23
      "You're also probably not going to get 100% of your bonus unless you're truly a star employee."

      Complete BS, anyone meets expectations or above gets 100% bonus or a multiplier. Unless you are below expectations you get a cut, which means you are basically on a PIP and should be looking for another job anyway. This stuff is pretty clearly laid out in all hands and wiki, idk how you missed it.
      Oct 12
    • Cruise Automation tlij23
      Agree with commute though. If you're not going to move to the city then I would not want to do that commute every day.
      Oct 12
  • Intel jtsbrn
    Congrats op. Either on is great comparing to Intel
    Oct 12 0
  • LinkedIn swdevl
    At cruise the bonus is not guaranteed like in companies like LinkedIn google etc. On paper it’s not guaranteed anywhere, but some companies have never missed on giving 100% bonus, while cruise has. So that’s something to factor in. In terms of tech, cruise sounds better to me, but I don’t know much about the engineering at Roku.
    Oct 12 3
    • Intel crocobot
      OP
      I liked the Cruise position better but commute is a factor too!
      Oct 12
    • Cruise Automation tlij23
      Why do you say cruise has "missed on giving 100% bonus"? In past years the only reason for getting no bonus is an NI rating at end of year (basically you are on a PIP), and this year that stays in place but they added a multiplier for good performance. There has never been a company wide reduction in bonus.
      Oct 12
    • Cruise Automation dolboeb
      Probably got em mixed up with psus which is no longer a thing (and hasn’t been for more than a year now). This is perfect example on why you shouldn’t take advice from anonymous blind randos
      Oct 12
  • TrueCar / Eng lolcar
    Cruise. Higher TC, more interesting work, better prestige.
    Oct 12 3
    • LinkedIn / Eng phatman
      Paper money
      Oct 12
    • TrueCar / Eng lolcar
      Oh, then in that case, get a sign on from Roku and go there.
      Oct 12
    • Intel crocobot
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      Roku offer is final, no scope of negotiation.
      Oct 12
  • Zendesk / Eng ninja0072
    Roku (real money and the stock is out of the bubble so your RSUs are not inflated). You'll work in South Bay with a better lifestyle. Also, the product of Roku actually works.
    Oct 12 1
    • Zendesk / Eng ninja0072
      Unless if you can negotiate with Cruise for a 220k base. That would be fair. Congratulations on the amazing offers.
      Oct 12
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    Uncle Ximore
    The same guys who valued this at "$19B" also valued wework at "$47B." Same for the likes of Slack, Pinterest, before their IPOs... Don't buy their bullshit.
    Oct 12 1
    • Intel crocobot
      OP
      Cruise offer is still negotiable, should I try that?
      Oct 12
  • Roku has great culture and compensation. Also our stock price is at a juicy price point right now, good time to join before internationally growth.
    Oct 12 0
  • Roku liwq67
    Did you end up going to Cruise or Roku?
    Oct 30 2
  • Apple Cim Took
    What kind of work would you be doing at Roku/Cruise?
    Oct 12 1
    • Intel crocobot
      OP
      Deep learning compiler at Cruise and UI framework at Roku
      Oct 12
  • Roku
    Oct 12 0
  • LinkedIn swdevl
    Also cruise is very demanding in terms of work pressure. It can be a good thing or bad thing depending upon how you see it, and if you like your work.
    Oct 12 0

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