SDM- how to avoid Devlist @ amazon

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rvnN27

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Aug 26 19 Comments

I am hearing horrific stories of L6 SDMs getting dev list 2 or 3 months into the new job (external hires)

Is this kind of culture dependant on the team or is it an amazon thing?

Besides picking a good team, how does one survive in such a cut throat culture.

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  • KLA-Tencor GareebGuy
    Amazon should just raise the bar in their sdm interviews rather than putting folks through pip misery. Any SDM in a tech company should be able to code.
    Aug 26 3
    • It's possible for someone to become an SDM without being able to code?
      Aug 26
    • Tableau qwalpy
      The PIPed SDMs are pipped for reasons that are way more significant than not knowing how to code
      Aug 26
    • Amazon / Eng
      eisenhower

      Amazon Eng

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      eisenhowermore
      Yes. My previous SDM was managed out (my skip told th: "hey, you know this is not working out, get out with your own feet, honorably" and they followed suit). They knew how to code, they were able to be thoughtful in design reviews, but was an awful people manager, and the team was struggling. Ignoring them made us more productive.
      Aug 26
  • KLA-Tencor GareebGuy
    What's a devlist?
    Aug 26 3
    • Amazon vbjimg
      like pip
      Aug 26
    • Is it a faster PIP?
      Aug 26
    • Amazon uaqh79
      It’s a pre-PIP action
      Aug 26
  • Microsoft / Eng
    rvnN27

    Microsoft Eng

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    OP
    The culture is so brutal.

    You can really misuse and abuse the LP and Devlist anyone with them
    Aug 26 4
    • KLA-Tencor GareebGuy
      LP?
      Aug 26
    • Amazon uaqh79
      Leadership principles
      Aug 26
    • Amazon / Eng cRagT
      More like punishments than principles.
      Aug 26
    • Amazon uaqh79
      Nope, the decision has already been made – so you can’t disagree, only commit.
      Aug 26
  • Bose
    nooblol

    Bose

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    nooblolmore
    Dont resist ur boss , my friend got laid off coz he stood up for his team and didnt let his boss put a dev on his team on dev list for a minor production bug. He got put on dev list for not having a bias for action lol
    Aug 26 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    eisenhower

    Amazon Eng

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    eisenhowermore
    SDMs can jeopardize a whole team fairly quickly. If you don't suck, you'll stick around.
    Aug 26 0
  • Amazon vbjimg
    2-3 mo? that’s fast!
    Aug 26 1
    • New
      mPOT57

      New

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      mPOT57more
      Not really. You know quickly who is good and who is not.
      Aug 26
  • Amazon / Eng cRagT
    You mean SDM getting into devlist?
    Aug 26 0
  • Amazon uaqh79
    Suck up is how
    Aug 26 0