SF hate. So much. Why?

Roku cruella
Nov 7 176 Comments

Following is, in my opinion true for tech workers and especially for SWEa

RoW (almost all) < USA < CA < Bay Area < SF.

Its hard to fins any other city better than SF in particular (cuz SF) and Bay Area in general (cuz of concentration of companies - oppurtunities/pay etc).

why so much hate for SF and bay on blind.

if u think someplace else is better please mention and explain.

sure u might have better QoL in say AMS. But it cant come close to Bay for tech career.

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  • Google / Eng dogfoodie
    Some people like their sidewalks feces-free 💩
    Nov 7 11
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      Car getting broken into is a common problem in SF. Can’t deny that.
      Nov 7
    • Cruise Automation FFUT38
      Cruella, the feces problem is pretty serious.
      Nov 7
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      Sorry. I was unaware of this as I have seen it exactly once.
      Nov 7
    • Uber #muga
      Extrapolate your one data point for the rest of us. Sound logic
      Nov 7
    • Salesforce 2d02d2
      Even staying at the Hyatt regency downtown I'll encounter people shitting on the sidewalk. It's disgusting, and you guys refuse to do anything about it
      Nov 7
  • Oscar
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    NYC....?
    Nov 7 6
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      NYC (Manhattan really) beats SF in almost everything, in my opinion. I love Manhattan.
      Though it falls short for number of purely swe opportunities.

      Also seasons/weather.
      Nov 7
    • Meetup chapchap
      We don’t have Fire Season though
      Nov 7
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      😂. Sure.
      Nov 7
    • New / Eng bytec
      Bay Area isn’t affected by fire season too badly. Mostly just the occasional pollution flare-up.
      Nov 7
    • Travelport / Eng buttnpushr
      Only new yorkers overrate new york like this
      Nov 7
  • Drift VMx00
    And drugs, homeless, libs, taxes, etc.
    Nov 7 71
    • Google Harhar
      None of that changes the fact that people don't dream of living in bumfuck, Alabama.

      Are you butthurt about being called butthurt? 😂
      Nov 11
    • Intel apdndn
      You’ve never been to Alabama I take it. Amazing golf and you can live like a king.

      Nah, just love prompting the hypocrisy of the left. You guys are too easy.
      Nov 11
    • Google Harhar
      LMAO, enjoy bumfuck Alabama.

      You sound butthurt, my boy!
      Nov 11
    • Intel apdndn
      And enjoy being a slave laborer living in a closet.
      Nov 11
    • Google Harhar
      Sounds like an Alabama thing. Roll Tide! 😂😂
      Nov 11
  • Mailchimp / Eng ElroyJet$N
    COL. I live in Atlanta and my quality of life is seemingly better than people I graduated with who live in the Bay. I travel frequently, drive an exotic car, live in objectively the best neighborhood of the city... the bay has its pros too, for sure. I wouldn’t say I hate the Bay. It’s just not the promised land that many people who have only worked in Silicon Valley seem to think it is.
    Nov 7 17
    • Google Harhar
      Yeah, I love not living in the Bay anymore. It is awesome to have a nice house. Austin, Denver, Chicago etc. Plenty of cities where you can live well, have an awesome house that you own, enjoy life and retire early with our TCs . But some people like their tiny houses/apartments in the Bay. Who am I to judge!
      Nov 7
    • Tesla / Other 7383heu3iw
      @cruella: I've lived in both Atlanta and Bay Area. While there are "cooler" companies and opportunities in SF, Atlanta is better overall. From what I hear, youve probably never been to ATL.
      Nov 7
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      I've been to Atlanta at least 6 times.

      Could u describe to why u say Atlanta is better overall.
      Already know it's cheaper. Don't repeat that.
      Nov 7
    • Tesla / Other 7383heu3iw
      Unfortunately Atlanta is not a "tourist" town in that there's tons to see - it's more about the experience of living there - amazing restaurants, memorable underground bars (MJQ, Metalsome!), nicer people, lots of hikes. It's tough to pinpoint exactly, but the city itself just doesn't "get in the way" of your life like SF does. In SF, I have to wrroy about dodging homeless/crazies/💩, the inevitable discussion about polarizing politics/tech/work at parties, cost of living.

      I totally get that SF has exciting opportunities and people are passionate about what they do (that's why I came here), but it's an unsustainable way of living the rest of your life. That's why so many people leave after 2-3 yrs.

      Also,call me crazy, but SF lacks people with maturity. Im all for meritocracy over status, but a little professionalism doesn't hurt anyone (things like showing up to work with out shoes, making lewd jokes at work, etc)
      Nov 7
    • Automattic gh0sted
      People that travel to Atlanta for conferences and what not rarely get it. I lived there before SF and would pick it 1000 times again over the Bay. And more industry is growing there, too. I should have bought a house there when it was genuinely "cheap" to do so
      Nov 7
  • New scheme
    Austin. City is attracting big tech names. Top colleges nearby therefore no shortage of quality. Good weather and low taxes. Good balance between QoL and CoL.
    Nov 7 7
    • Amazon / Eng SEAFreeze
      imagine thinking having gun rights is a bad thing lmfao
      Nov 7
    • Google Harhar
      Yep, having lived in Texas it's definitely full of gun nuts. Austin's a great place though.
      Nov 7
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      SEAFreeze. Having gun rights isn't a bad thing. Except when nuts have the same rights.

      To maybe put it in terms u might understand. Imagine a crackpot cocaine sniffing alcoholic lady with a pregnancy fetish having 100% abortion rights. (that person probably doesn't exist but ur gun nuts do)
      Nov 7
    • Qualtrics worke
      The whole point of a “right” is that even the people you don’t like get to have it
      Nov 7
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      It's not about people I like or don't like. It's about people who are capable of exercising the said rights responsibly
      Nov 7
  • New scheme
    Think hate is only for CoL in SF/Bay Area and not the tech career aspect of it.
    Nov 7 3
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      Obviously CoL isn’t a magical thing. Rational people should understand it comes with the opportunity and the high pay is a function of that CoL
      Nov 7
    • New / Eng lfVl67
      No other first world city has poop police - that sums up SF succinctly. Many programmers aren’t insufferable bleeding hearts just want to be left the fuck alone. Losing out on a bit of TC (which just gets eaten up by higher COL) is worth avoiding people and companies where the insufferable white guilt and pandering is so pervasive.
      Nov 7
    • Qualtrics worke
      Compensation is not a function of CoL, they’re completely separate. Comp has much more to do with how much value you bring the company, how hot the market is, etc. CoL has to do with how much the government collects in taxes and how much housing they let you build. CoL may have helped drive up comp in recent years but it’s nowhere near the most important factor. If it was you would see the same comp increase across other fields, not just tech.
      Nov 7
  • WeWork f56dew
    I would never live in SF. I’m uninterested in the toxic tech culture there, it’s expensive AF, and I can have a very good career elsewhere. I’m in the Bay Area for lots of conferences and am always happy to leave. But everyone has different ideas of what makes for a good career and quality of life, so if SF makes you happy then great!
    Nov 7 4
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      May I ask where?
      Sure u can have a good career anywhere if u r a top talent. But think if your company goes under or has massive layoffs. Is your "elsewhere" still good enough?
      Nov 7
    • WeWork f56dew
      You’ve crapped on every place that someone else lives that isn’t SF so I see no reason to divulge my location. This thread is about why people don’t like SF and not why you don’t like where I live.
      Nov 7
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      I haven’t really “crapped” on any place so far but Atlanta.

      And that was for legitimate reasons. In middle America there’s way better places than Atlanta like Nashville or RDP Area.
      Nov 7
    • Moody's / Eng HjDm88
      Atlanta really isn't that bad. Now if the other commenter said St. Louis, your justification for Atlanta being "bad" would work for St. Louis in my opinion.
      Nov 7
  • Brightcove moosepuck
    Doesn’t it ever get tiring to be surrounded by tech workers constantly? The city just isn’t very diverse in that regard. I’d rather live somewhere that’s not a “tech hub” so that I don’t limit my thinking to whatever is vogue at the time in the tech world. There are so many beautiful places outside of SF, so many interesting people with amazing backgrounds, different cultures, and experiences.
    Nov 7 6
    • In SF, lots of diversity! You have street shitters. Doorway shitters. Sidewalk shitters. And Jack shitting on society.
      Nov 7
    • Facebook dhiekxo
      Lol when was the last time u met a full time artist, musician, photographer, writer in SF? And not ones that work at a tech co
      Nov 9
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      All of them except for musician, in past 6 months.
      Met musicians too, though they r perpetually unemployed.
      Nov 10
    • Facebook iwuwnkx
      Unemployed and living in SF? Sure..rich kid trust fund baby perhaps.
      Nov 10
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      More like homeless playing on streets?
      Nov 10
  • New imlp
    The level of culture here in NY can’t be compared to any other city in the US. Just the amount of broadway and off broadway shows alone is staggering, I could watch one a week and not see them all.

    The opera, the ballet, the sports, the comedy clubs. Nowhere else has the shear variety and magnitude.

    The food scene here is much more dynamic, new restaurants every week, visiting chefs from all over the world, every cuisine imaginable and that’s just in Manhattan and Brooklyn.
    I also gotta say, New Yorkers are some of the nicest and most inclusive people I have met. They accept diverse opinions and “weirdness” and celebrate it. Unless you are a Republican of course 😉

    The subway system is the best in the US.

    Housing options don’t price out average incomes.

    Having said all that, I want to spend at least 3 years in the Bay Area because of the diversity of tech companies and opportunities. It will be a sacrifice for the sake of my career and learning.
    I know I sound entitled and I am so fortunate to even have a choice.

    But my heart is in NY.
    Nov 7 3
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      I agree everything u said about NYC.

      It’s a trade off for SF though. A bit less in terms of culture for better tech opportunities.
      I’d move to NYC in a heartbeat if it weren’t for the cold though.

      Edit: Also I left my heart in NYC :)
      Nov 7
    • New imlp
      Do you think you would go back for the right opportunity?
      Nov 7
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      Not at the moment. No. I am just having too much fun in the Bay.
      But I can't stop loving NYC.
      Maybe I should clone myself.
      Nov 7
  • Facebook kuck
    No girls in sf
    Nov 7 5
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      This I can not argue against. :)
      Nov 7
    • New / Eng bytec
      I feel there are plenty of girls in SF and the rest of the Bay. People really blow this out of proportion.
      Nov 7
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      This is a question easily settled by looking at census data for single people in Bay Area. But I am too lazy for that.
      Nov 7
    • Marqeta / Eng Bogdanoff
      There's girls but the 49er syndrome makes dating really shitty.

      Looking like a 4 and acting like a 9.
      Nov 8
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      Haha. TIL. I'm gonna use it always now! Thanks.
      Nov 8
  • Brightcove moosepuck
    It’s been gentrified to hell.
    Nov 7 3
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      Is there a way to prevent that anywhere , that offers so many high paying jobs?
      Nov 7
    • Brightcove moosepuck
      We just need another good old fashioned bubble pop to level things out again.
      Nov 7
    • Northrop Grumman dWWk15
      More housing?
      Nov 7
  • Roku de Vil
    The opportunity in the Bay Area as a tech worker can't be matched anywhere else in the world. Sure SF area has its cons but the stuff people complain about like drugs (bigger issue in rural America, I would know I grew up in such a place) and homeless (never been to a big US city without this problem) are not unique to the SF area. Only thing that kills this area is housing, very bad zoning laws, and the "not in my backyard" people keeping the area very expensive, especially for those not making tech money.
    Nov 7 1
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      Are we the same person?
      Nov 7
  • Riverbed Technology siegel
    Fk tech people in SF with those big paychecks writing useless webpack configs and adding fancy css layouts. Mofos don't deserve to be paid a cent more than $10K/yr. Their arrogance has reached as much of a bubble as the shitiness of their code.
    Nov 7 7
    • Automattic gh0sted
      It's pretty shocking to leave the bubble and see what people get paid elsewhere. There's probably a higher concentration of skills in SF bay area but not a higher proportion of brightness, if you will. Most people there are just technicians not true scientists or innovators
      Nov 8
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      So r u just bitter about the people get in SF and also that they don't deserve it.
      But is there a point of this hate?
      Is it cuz u don't want to move to SF but want sf pay?
      Nov 8
    • Riverbed Technology siegel
      I want all of us to STFU and GTFO. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
      Nov 8
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      Rbed tech. What YOU want generally doesn't happen. Does it? My guess is u r already used to it.
      Nov 8
    • Riverbed Technology siegel
      Keep guessing and stfu
      Nov 8
  • Automattic gh0sted
    In addition to poor QoL, I didn't care for people in SF either. Not very friendly and super classist. I make half the money now but am so much happier
    Nov 7 3
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      Where is that? Also is it possible that u r happier cuz of some personal reason that might not apply to others in general?
      Nov 7
    • Automattic gh0sted
      Prefer not to get specific but it's a state many Californians look down upon. I know for certain that the improvements in my personal circumstances are directly correlated to my move
      Nov 7
    • Snapchat QaH7er3PxL
      WTF is classist? Keep hearing this but never experienced
      Nov 7
  • Automattic gh0sted
    Reading through some of OPs comments reveals why people dislike SF. It's the people! Not the ones that have been there for generations but the newcomers that look down their nose at everything that's not what they'd choose
    Nov 7 1
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      What have I said that makes u think I look down my nose. Except for Atlanta.

      Can u quote it?
      Nov 7
  • Nokia SoulReaPr
    Are people actually *living* in the bay.. live stocks have more fun then u do..
    Nov 7 1
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      Enlighten us please.
      Nov 7
  • Bloomberg cg_ny
    Maybe because it’s a Sausage fest? That’s reason enough for me to never move there.
    Nov 7 1
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      According to latest census it's 49% female to 51% male.
      Of course if u r talking singles as potential mates, that's different. In that case would u change ur mind after ur married or otherwise not single?
      Nov 7
  • SAP DVOw73
    It’s N incredible city with unique opportunities, fantastic places of culture, almost instant access to great outdoors. I love SF
    Nov 7 1
    • Roku cruella
      OP
      I like everyone who agrees with me for the right reasons. ♥️
      Nov 7
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    The hate is an extension of their political ideology. Most have never lived in SF and get their information about the city from people who also don’t live here.
    Nov 7 3
    • Mailchimp / Eng ElroyJet$N
      ...nah
      Nov 7
    • Automattic gh0sted
      That's true in the broader population, but theres a higher % of people in this forum that have actually lived in SF or spent significant time there
      Nov 8
    • Oracle lzqL07
      If hating San Francisco is political based, then shouldn't these companies move their roles to a non politically polarizing place, in order to attract more talent?
      Nov 8
  • Amazon / Eng SEAFreeze
    Seattle is better but techies are ruining the culture here too sadly
    Nov 7 1
    • Bloomberg $ocrates
      What did they do to it???
      Nov 7

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