Following is, in my opinion true for tech workers and especially for SWEa
RoW (almost all) < USA < CA < Bay Area < SF.
Its hard to fins any other city better than SF in particular (cuz SF) and Bay Area in general (cuz of concentration of companies - oppurtunities/pay etc).
why so much hate for SF and bay on blind.
if u think someplace else is better please mention and explain.
sure u might have better QoL in say AMS. But it cant come close to Bay for tech career.
Following is, in my opinion true for tech workers and especially for SWEa
- COL. I live in Atlanta and my quality of life is seemingly better than people I graduated with who live in the Bay. I travel frequently, drive an exotic car, live in objectively the best neighborhood of the city... the bay has its pros too, for sure. I wouldn’t say I hate the Bay. It’s just not the promised land that many people who have only worked in Silicon Valley seem to think it is.
- Yeah, I love not living in the Bay anymore. It is awesome to have a nice house. Austin, Denver, Chicago etc. Plenty of cities where you can live well, have an awesome house that you own, enjoy life and retire early with our TCs . But some people like their tiny houses/apartments in the Bay. Who am I to judge!
- Unfortunately Atlanta is not a "tourist" town in that there's tons to see - it's more about the experience of living there - amazing restaurants, memorable underground bars (MJQ, Metalsome!), nicer people, lots of hikes. It's tough to pinpoint exactly, but the city itself just doesn't "get in the way" of your life like SF does. In SF, I have to wrroy about dodging homeless/crazies/💩, the inevitable discussion about polarizing politics/tech/work at parties, cost of living.
I totally get that SF has exciting opportunities and people are passionate about what they do (that's why I came here), but it's an unsustainable way of living the rest of your life. That's why so many people leave after 2-3 yrs.
Also,call me crazy, but SF lacks people with maturity. Im all for meritocracy over status, but a little professionalism doesn't hurt anyone (things like showing up to work with out shoes, making lewd jokes at work, etc)
- Austin. City is attracting big tech names. Top colleges nearby therefore no shortage of quality. Good weather and low taxes. Good balance between QoL and CoL.
- SEAFreeze. Having gun rights isn't a bad thing. Except when nuts have the same rights.
To maybe put it in terms u might understand. Imagine a crackpot cocaine sniffing alcoholic lady with a pregnancy fetish having 100% abortion rights. (that person probably doesn't exist but ur gun nuts do)
- Think hate is only for CoL in SF/Bay Area and not the tech career aspect of it.
- New / Eng lfVl67No other first world city has poop police - that sums up SF succinctly. Many programmers aren’t insufferable bleeding hearts just want to be left the fuck alone. Losing out on a bit of TC (which just gets eaten up by higher COL) is worth avoiding people and companies where the insufferable white guilt and pandering is so pervasive.Nov 7 7
- Compensation is not a function of CoL, they’re completely separate. Comp has much more to do with how much value you bring the company, how hot the market is, etc. CoL has to do with how much the government collects in taxes and how much housing they let you build. CoL may have helped drive up comp in recent years but it’s nowhere near the most important factor. If it was you would see the same comp increase across other fields, not just tech.
- I would never live in SF. I’m uninterested in the toxic tech culture there, it’s expensive AF, and I can have a very good career elsewhere. I’m in the Bay Area for lots of conferences and am always happy to leave. But everyone has different ideas of what makes for a good career and quality of life, so if SF makes you happy then great!
- Doesn’t it ever get tiring to be surrounded by tech workers constantly? The city just isn’t very diverse in that regard. I’d rather live somewhere that’s not a “tech hub” so that I don’t limit my thinking to whatever is vogue at the time in the tech world. There are so many beautiful places outside of SF, so many interesting people with amazing backgrounds, different cultures, and experiences.
- The level of culture here in NY can’t be compared to any other city in the US. Just the amount of broadway and off broadway shows alone is staggering, I could watch one a week and not see them all.
The opera, the ballet, the sports, the comedy clubs. Nowhere else has the shear variety and magnitude.
The food scene here is much more dynamic, new restaurants every week, visiting chefs from all over the world, every cuisine imaginable and that’s just in Manhattan and Brooklyn.
I also gotta say, New Yorkers are some of the nicest and most inclusive people I have met. They accept diverse opinions and “weirdness” and celebrate it. Unless you are a Republican of course 😉
The subway system is the best in the US.
Housing options don’t price out average incomes.
Having said all that, I want to spend at least 3 years in the Bay Area because of the diversity of tech companies and opportunities. It will be a sacrifice for the sake of my career and learning.
I know I sound entitled and I am so fortunate to even have a choice.
But my heart is in NY.
- Roku de VilThe opportunity in the Bay Area as a tech worker can't be matched anywhere else in the world. Sure SF area has its cons but the stuff people complain about like drugs (bigger issue in rural America, I would know I grew up in such a place) and homeless (never been to a big US city without this problem) are not unique to the SF area. Only thing that kills this area is housing, very bad zoning laws, and the "not in my backyard" people keeping the area very expensive, especially for those not making tech money.
- Fk tech people in SF with those big paychecks writing useless webpack configs and adding fancy css layouts. Mofos don't deserve to be paid a cent more than $10K/yr. Their arrogance has reached as much of a bubble as the shitiness of their code.
- It's pretty shocking to leave the bubble and see what people get paid elsewhere. There's probably a higher concentration of skills in SF bay area but not a higher proportion of brightness, if you will. Most people there are just technicians not true scientists or innovatorsNov 8 1
- In addition to poor QoL, I didn't care for people in SF either. Not very friendly and super classist. I make half the money now but am so much happier
- Reading through some of OPs comments reveals why people dislike SF. It's the people! Not the ones that have been there for generations but the newcomers that look down their nose at everything that's not what they'd choose
- Nokia SoulReaPrAre people actually *living* in the bay.. live stocks have more fun then u do..
- Bloomberg cg_nyMaybe because it’s a Sausage fest? That’s reason enough for me to never move there.
- SAP DVOw73It’s N incredible city with unique opportunities, fantastic places of culture, almost instant access to great outdoors. I love SF
- OpenTable MeliodasThe hate is an extension of their political ideology. Most have never lived in SF and get their information about the city from people who also don’t live here.
- Seattle is better but techies are ruining the culture here too sadly